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2024 is the Year of Linux on the Desktop, at least for my boyfriend. He's running Windows 7 right now, so I'll be switching him to Ubuntu in a few days. Ubuntu was chosen because Proton is officially supported in Ubuntu.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (3 children)

it is kinda wild that people abandon Windows 7 because of Steam and not because Microsoft stopped patching it several years ago

Ubuntu was chosen because Proton is officially supported in Ubuntu.

I don't think Steam actually recommends any distro since some time anymore

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People don't care about security until they get hit. Source: working in IT for 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And then suddenly they care a lot and do all the wrong things for wrong reasons because they know shit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

"I don't worry about missing security patches. I just have 5 anti-virus tools running simultaneously, they keep me safe."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even IT people don't give a shit about security until it's way too late. Source: getting out of a job where the median age of a server is around 3-4 years old with no updates and runtimes hard installed outside repositories.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think this is just kind of a side effect of capitalism.

If it's costing them in the short term, and the results aren't evident or won't be seen until the long term, they almost always won't do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Definitely. You see it across all aspects of life: basic misunderstanding of risk everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Nvidia gpu drivers wont even install on win 7 anymore. That by itself causes huge performance issues on new games that have driver optimizations.

Probably the same story for amd drivers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

it is kinda wild that people abandon Windows 7 because of Steam

There's this certain subsection of Win7/8 diehards that absolutely confuse me. It's one thing to keep using them on old systems, but I've seen a few people posting about their brand-new PC, equipped with RTX 4090s and 13th gen I9 processors, who are adamant on running those outdated operating systems as their only OS. Such a waste of money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Nah I think it's just that windows 7 and 8 was and still is quite literally one of those ones where it hit the sweet spot between good UI and UX and actually having huge range and compatibility straight off the bat. Plus everything was pretty smooth back then, but hell, nobody ever says how many viruses and dumb apps were floating around for Windows 7x32 and x64

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Lol 0.06% usage in November 2023

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

There are more linux users than windows7 users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

0.69% (nice) on windows 7 64bit. That's 0.75% total or 0.91% including windows 8 which is also dying. This is slightly under half of the linux user base according to these statistics

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why are some Linux distros in scare quotes?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair, steam reports less than 1% of users using windows 7. It's not as big as we think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

But steam has > 100 million active users. Even if it is less than 1%, it still is a huge number

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that this is because steam uses chromium as its backend and chromium new version doesn't run on windows 7. It's still not good because there are some games that won't run on newer systems and therefore 7 is required for preservation.

As many of you pointed out, yes I agree proton is the answer if possible. YMMV

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

This is the actual reason. Steam officially said that: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nah. It's more, year of the piracy comeback

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

That also helps linux. Tried watching something on someone else's peacock account logged into Linux, and got an error. Checked Google to see if it was available. A free site had it, in better quality streaming too! We ended up using her computer, but I was kind of amazed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

There's a bit of controversy regarding Ubuntu that I don't need to get into but Fedora and Pop!_OS are also really good for Proton support. Ubuntu will work fine but I just prefer not to use it. Maybe you could let him try out the live environment for a couple distros to see what he might like in terms of UI.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

And Mint as well

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

RIP Windows 7, long live Linux Mint Xfce

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

my boyfriend. He's running Windows 7

You saint.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

All these people saying "use this or use that distro instead" is why Windows users don't go into Linux. Ubuntu is a solid choice for beginners because that's a distro with a lot of tutorials online if not the most.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Kubuntu for that win7 similarity. (It's still official ubuntu)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Aha, just popping in here to suggest taking a look at PopOS!

Proton works extremely well on it, its compatible out of the box with everything Debian based (this includes Ubuntu) so it has a huge selection of free software, has great documentation for the PopOS! specific stuff and for all the debian/ubuntu stuff you can nearly always use older wikis on the internet if you run into a snag, and its got a custom DE that I personally find better than KDE and Ubuntu's latest rendition if GNOME.

Also, while Ubuntu is going hard into Snaps, which I hate, PopOS! is going into flatpaks, which are less bad than snaps, but still stupid imo.

If you care, its fairly easy to disable and/or remove flatpaks from PopOS. It doesnt come with any preloaded afaik, so all you have to do is go into the PopShop (the app store) settings and just remove the flatpak source.

Ive run Proton on Steam via debian sources on PopOS! for years, works fine.

Oh right! I am fairly sure that PopOS! nowadays just comes by default with graphics drivers pre-installed and preset to automatically update with the rest of your software when you run sudo apt update. All you have to do is pick the Nvidia ISO if youve got Nvidia, or the standard one if youve got AMD.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Proton works on any Linux distro, it comes with steam. As long as you can install steam, you should be golden.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I strongly reccomend Zorin OS. I was in his exact shoes when I decided to switch to Linux and for very similar reasons. It feels pretty similar to Windows 7 IMHO, and I like its default dynamic background that changes throughout the day. Steam games run great on it btw.

The other reason I reccomend Zorin is that it is aimed at windows users and Mac users. There's an "app store" that is in fact a software manager, most windows apps run pretty well (although I reccomend using Bottles for that) and the layout is designed to feel similar to Windows. All the fun Linux stuff is still right there for you to use, it's just slightly out of sight so it doesn't overwhelm you at the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why not Linux mint? It is way more use friendly.

Also why on earth is anyone using windows 7 in 2023. I stopped using it to move to Linux back in 2016

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do, in VirtualBox. I have a 20 year old printer, and the drivers don't work in newer Windows versions. I mean, at all. The installer crashes, and automatic driver installer only gets the scanner working.

Anyway, I don't use Windows. It works on Linux. Kinda. In Linux Mint, I just can't use high DPI, but I can scan, print, and see "remaining ink" just fine.
Manjaro is another story. Only "Normal Grayscale" works, hp-toolbox doesn't even show the color cartridge. So I just use Windows 7 with the drivers as the heaviest printer driver ever.

But when I have to use Windows (e.g.: at school), I prefer Windows 7. Windows 10/11 have really weird control, and they are SLOW. Also, when installing Windows 10 onto school computers, nobody bothered to install drivers.
I like the ThinkPad T440s laptops that are in one class. But after upgrade to Windows 10 they have some battery charging issues, and some of them just fail to boot from time-to-time. I use the last one with Windows 7 because it just works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You really should not be using Windows 7. If you need to for old software make sure it is isolated and doesn't have network access. It is very insecure at this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I would recommend creating a Ventoy USB drive and download some live ISOs of your choice. Then boot them and let your BF try them. Because then he can choose a distro by his liking to the overall experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

To be fair, he could simply pay 5 bucks for a key and switch to Windows 10 or 11. Linux should be something people choose to try firsthand for a while before moving on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I highly recommend Linux Mint (cinnamon) as an entry level Linux distro. It looks and feels similar to Windows, and it's based on Ubuntu, so it has a lot of support and compatibility.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it just a DE spin off?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mint is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian. LMDE is being built alongside Linux Mint and is based only on Debian.

Linux Mint and LMDE are functionally the same, but LMDE is protection/insurance against Ubuntu doing something stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) and Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) are entirely separate products.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Noo please don't Ubuntu. Just plain debian or mint debian instead for the closest thing without canonical. Ubuntu is based on debian and all the actual reasons to use it over debian ended probably like a decade or so ago.

I don't think there are many distro specific proton issues, if they exist at all. I've switched from arch to tumbleweed to bazzite(ublue/fedora based) and the only issues were unrelated to gaming. Proton would work on a toaster if it had a display and a vulkan compatible GPU.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

ubuntu is fine lol especially for a newbie. Zorin is really familliar for a windows user.

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