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Quebec to raise university fees and mandate French for out-of-province students (www.bbc.com)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Something that people should keep in mind is that the fees were lower for those "out-of-province" students in Québec than in their own province.

This fee raise basically brings it on par with what they would pay in their on province. One of the reasoning behind this law is that Québec shouldn't be subsidizing other provinces way too expensive university system.

If you are living in Québec, university fees are quite cheap, and this doesn't change.

The French vs English aspect is widely talked about, but not a whole lot is mentioned about the actual price hike.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The total fees for out of province students will still be lower than for out of province students in other provinces.

The fees for international students will still be lower than the fees for international students in other provinces.

In the only province where French is the only official language, French universities received less financing than English universities no matter the source, including from the provincial government. Donating to one's Alma Mater isn't part of the French Canadian culture for a ton of historical reasons, that leads to an university like McGill getting 200m$ from a single ex student and having over a billion sleeping in its coffers while the Université du Québec en Outaouais barely manages to offer basic services to its students.

Is it such a bad thing that the government asks that foreign students integrate themselves by learning the local language? That's an incentive for them to stay and it prevents the issue of having some of them stay without being able to speak the language, pretty much forcing them to live in one of three urban areas and their suburbs (Montreal, Gatineau, Sherbrooke).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Imagine calling your fellow countrymen foreigners.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

See there's this thing we call "a definition" and that word is appropriate to the situation and if you think "foreigner" is pejorative then you're the one who's got an issue...

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah totally, it’s not at all a well-known derogatory term used to other people’s.

Honestly if this is how French Canadians act, I totally get the reputation. Sounds like a bunch of downright exclusionary shit cunts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

"Oh no, French Canadians use words in their second language based on their definition, what a bunch of exclusionary shit cunts!"

You should really go sit down and reflect on the way you just acted.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

French is a dead language, just admit it and move on with your lives already Quebec.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

More and more people speak it on a global scale, you shouldn't celebrate the disappearance of non English cultures.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

All this talk of Quebecois separatisme is giving me think DFW was a lot more prophetic than we thought...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All I know about Quebec is that they have several First Nations there. Why is a foreign language be mandated over those?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Foreign?

The official language in Quebec is French.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I think he understands that and is calling the French colonists foreigners to the native first nations peoples...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The Canadian province of Quebec is introducing a plan that will hike tuition fees and mandate French proficiency for its out-of-province university students.

In a letter published on Thursday, Quebec's higher education minister Pascale Déry said tuition for out-of-province students would increase from C$9,000 ($6,700; £5,200) to C$12,000 a year.

The 33% rise is smaller than what the province had originally proposed in October, which was to double the tuition fees for students from the rest of Canada.

The province will also require that 80% of students from outside Quebec reach an intermediate level of French by the time they graduate, and universities would face financial penalties if that target is not met.

Mr Saini added his university had not ruled out moves like opening another campus outside of Quebec or filing a potential lawsuit.

Concordia University President Graham Carr told the Montreal Gazette that he believed the plan would lead to a drop in the number of students, and would damage Quebec's reputation.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

In the Netherlands we also see a return of mandated dutch classes because universeties cannot cope with the influx of students and have no legal way to stop students from other EU countries. So they will limit the influx by switching part of the curriculum back to Dutch. This seems similar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Frankly, good. Montreal was already becoming remarkably English and that has risks of encouraging Quebec secessionism. Same thing should happen for the Mayan language in Yucatan, Mexico.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Hey, @[email protected] looking how this thread is degenerating into a complete shit show of Québec bashing, can we lock it down?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

French Canadians have a stereotype of being pretentious and I love it. Keep being odd Quebec.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fuck Quebec

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Et toi aussi sal con