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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think having this data would be interesting, but to say

Proof of religious LGBTQ+ people pushes back against hateful movements

in the context of what the article is discussing is a big assumption. Hateful movements gonna hate. I’ve seen individual hearts and minds change once people realize that LGBTQ+ people aren’t “boogeymen” that must be watched out for, but are instead their neighbors, coworkers, sons and daughters (and I’ve seen those hearts and minds harden too…). But at the group level, in my experience, people who buy into those hateful religious movements don’t usually view their group actions as hateful—they view them as necessary to save themselves and others in the name of their beliefs.

Instead of shouting “those people are unlike us and we must fight against sin” in the direction of non-religiously affiliated LGBTQ+ people, it becomes “bless their hearts they want to be on the righteous path but we must help them overcome the scourge of sin” directed at religious in-group LGBTQ+ people. Maybe the hateful vitriol is softened, but the outcome tends to be the same.

But maybe I’m just jaded because I think organized religion is largely a scourge on humanity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This, plus being queer isn't inherently making you or people accepting you necessarily less bigoted. For example, even queer TERFs side with Nazis. Of course it is more likely that if a movement is more accepting of one minority, it may be also accepting to others. But it may also use one minority group to pit against another...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Minority groups that are tolerated within larger, harmful movements are often manipulated and leveraged in some way that negatively impacts that minority group or other minority groups. See also the Log Cabin Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Lesbian wiccans is a stereotype for a reason. If someone says queer people aren't religious, I just assume they don't know many queer women.

And then there's bissu and twospirit people displaying precisely why religion is so very common in enbies

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As a religious LGBTQ+ person, I don't feel the need to flaunt that or give that data. My FAFSA application asked questions about my LGBTQ+ status, and I lied my ass off because I'm scared of what the Nazi so-called-Christians in my government will try to do with that information. I'm a "real" Christian whose favorite Leviticus line isn't the one about not being gay, it's 19:18. That part, somehow, slips their minds when making decisions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Being religious does not mean believing in Abrahamic religion, right? Buddhism?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Walking cross-legged makes about as much sense to me, but whatever floats your boat.🦦

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It has been my experience that atheist culture consistently fails transgender people, because atheists frequently believe that material is reality. I have only found trans acceptance in religious communities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the foundation of hatred for 'others' and the self I take issue with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I've never been part of a religion that was founded on hate. Can you explain which part of wicca, druidry, or hellenism is based on hate?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm a Discordian and once walked backwards for several days as a child. Idk what that does for your data pool.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Because we have enough to worry about already.