RubberElectrons

Hmm, I don't think that's true either. You as well, stranger.

Quite a long, pedantic response.

I didn't in fact read your other links, nice to see you're unable to imagine others having lives and limited time. At no point did I say you ate meat, but that you are using similar tactics.

Curious, how much writing you do when all I ask is whether you think animals experience curiosity, and how much of it doesn't have anything to do with that question.

Rolling back through your overly elaborate discussions here, you'll note that I never said humans and animals had the same emotions, nor to the same level we as a species do. But I do say what they have is analogous, and that the line between anthropomorphism and observation can itself be a fuzzy concept.

Do you understand that, or will you resort to ad hominem again?

Unfortunately I've got to disagree with you from the outset, they do in fact express emotions, having witnessed one of my pets feel less inclined to partake in activities he very much normally enjoyed when his compatriot of a different species eventually passed away due to age. That is one clear example I've observed on my own, several times in a couple of different species over the years (unfortunately).

It's a bit pedantic, in truth, to state that these animals don't feel human emotions. Do all of us experience ennui for that matter? Envy, to the same level as one another? Which leads to a paradox of how one defines a conscious, human mind at all, if it were indeed based only on what emotions are present when presented with a similar stimulus.

Further, I'm noticing that you're focused on dancing around "are they human", not "are they conscious", a more interesting & insightful question. Unfortunately, I've noticed this tactic among people who don't want to feel bad about eating other conscious beings. If you eat other passengers on this ship called earth, so be it, but avoid the cowardice that comes with assigning them lower value in a pseudo-intellectual manner.

Do you think animals are capable of being curious, even when there's no impetus for them to be? I certainly do.

How do you know?

My pets express themselves pretty clearly, despite having much more limited ability to communicate across species lines.

I feel reasonably confident in stating that I believe animals are conscious, just to varying depths.

We all know they do. It just makes compartmentalizing other.. activities easier for some people.

Yep, and a good way to make acquaintances in class if you let everyone know you can be the PDF kid. 🤓

I was an electrician to pay for school in Manhattan, it was fucking awesome meeting all these dudes and ladies from all walks of life, truly a melting pot. I worked under a quality-centric Rasta, who answered to a way-overworked foreman from long island, we would all be fighting some days, laughing together some days and always getting shit done.

I don't miss how much my fucking feet or shoulders hurt after being on ladders all day, 50 stories up where the wind fuckin' gallops (till windows thankfully get installed), but I got so many stories and good/bad times out of the job.

I miss NYC, tell you the truth.

Might be a cool opportunity to build cohesion even. What if we (in consult with the Lakota whose land it annually is) build in a few cool people from other tribes too (e.g. chief Seattle, and others from all over the country). That could make it feel more like a monument to all of us.

Generally not a fan of defacing nature though. There's a joke in there somewhere but it's too early.

It's not that small considering it was both free and had to be taken apart to fit on a single ship lol

Having worked for the City of New York's subway system.. why is this being reported in an Atlanta paper?

Unknown, I don't want to run Google apps more than I have to. I only run photos and keyboard, both with network access completely blocked by the built-in firewall.

Fuckhead adams, eat shit and die you fucking scumrag.