TheUltimateCommunist

Hmmm… I am still not 100% convinced that without socialism the working class movement would reach the other shore though.

For instance, see how syndicalism got us nowhere and how the bourgeoisie just took away all the concession they gave syndicates post cold war. See how Black Lives Matter didn't achieve a bigger change due to its lack of association with socialism. The capitalists just defanged the moment and gave bare-minimum concessions to apease the people.

It seems that the working-class movements without socialism are boats that get sunk by the bourgeois missiles and torpedoes.

We need both socialism and the working-class movement to get to the other shore.

For the second paragraph, will it reach the other shore though because it seems that the working class is voting for fascists now?

Very misguided. No one, especially not the Palestinian organizations, are arguing for the deporting of settlers back to European countries. When ask about what will happen to the Jews, they all answer the same. Either they leave on their own accord, or they live under a secular, democratic Palestinian state from the river to the sea where both the Jewish and Arab population live as equals. Palestinian Arabs in Israel are second-class citizens and are themselves extremely oppressed. Therefore they cannot be "complicit" in the oppression of Palestinians as they are a part of those who are being oppressed. Hamas, the biggest religious resistance movement in Palestine, argues and fights for a secular Palestinian state under the authority of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), who themselves fight for a secular Palestine. A one-state solution for Palestine would be absolutely stable. A two-state solution, however, will never be stable due to the dynamics of the Zionist settler-colonialist project and it's ambitions, the full extermination of the Palestinian population.

It is also true that there is a rift between the more socialist elements of the Palestinian resistance and the religious elements of the Palestinian resistance, but they are all in a United Front against the Zionist regime. Of course both elements might disagree where to take the Palestinian state, specifically in regards to socialism, but they both agree on a secular, democratic Palestinian state.

I also don't understand what the your alternative is? Palestine is unstable as fuck under two states. so what are you proposing?

You seem to be trying to play devil's advocate, without providing an alternative and ultimately adding nothing to the conversation.

I really hate people who speculate and criticize without offering any actual implementable plans. This is a very arm chair liberal thing to do. ''Both sides bad''

They are already sterilizing black Jews, so you might be right Source

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This is a very Western-privileged position that Palestinians do not have.

The fact is that Israel is a occupying force in Palestinian land. If someone doesn’t want to educate people about that and fight for Palestinian rights then they are just a coward who is accessory to murder and to imperialism. That is a fact, no matter how someone wants to spin it.

Only cowards who have no problem with genocide do that.

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The point of the joke is that many libeeals say that the issue is “complicated “ to deter other people from conversing about it. They purposely make something simple complicated to get away with their narrative.