dukeGR4

How about Carbon-Cringe lifeform

And FYI I drive a Toyota myself, it’s handmade in a special factory and the fit and finish is absolutely horrible.

But somehow within the Toyota and the greater car community people always give it a pass because it’s a ToyOTa

I’ve checked them out in the showroom, the fit and finish when they’re not built like shit is actually alright.

I personally have never ever noticed Teslas which YUUUUUGE panel gaps either. And they are popular where I live.

They are decent cars still like I said. Talking about the base model. You cannot possibly find a better EV or RWD car at that budget where I live.

Even a base C200 or 320i cost a lot more than the base model 3. Like 25-40% as much. If that is not decent I don’t know what is.

they have higher than reported number of build failures, such as presence of panel gap but that does not indicate ALL of them come like that.

McLaren and Maseratis spring to mind, and have similar traits. It does not make them shit cars at all.

lol, do you mean panel gaps? that has more to do with manufacturing process. I'm more referring to the features they provide for the price they're selling at. They're decent.

I can assure you, cars can get a lot less decent than Teslas.... Korean cars in the early 2000s for example...

Pretty sure we will destroy ourselves first with war or some other climate disasters first

depending on where you live, here in Australia some states have very strong tax incentive. So strong to the point whereby even an Accord or Sonata is priced similarly. For those that do not care about all these dramas or the technicalities of ownership the Model Y and 3 are both really good cars.

i personally wouldn't get one tho, if i had spend so much money i'll probably save a bit more and get a used GR Supra or Civic Type R.

over the course of 30 years*. people rarely keep cars for that long, let alone an EV. by year 10 most EVs will be clapped as fuck you might just have to sell it for scrap metal

fact is Teslas still represent good value if you're just after a base Model Y and 3. they're are OK, average, decent.

fit and finish is far from German counterparts but if you don't care, and don't want a Chinese EV either you're left with Tesla.

Maybe AliExpress drones is scarier, the fact that it’s so harmless and so lethal is equally scary 😂😂😂

Eh drone is just cost effective version of CAS. I think most modern jets bomber/fighter could carry out precision strikes without you ever seeing or hearing them.

Or going in loud and proud A10 style also works, that shit is scarier lol