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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Natural selection "asks" this question all the time. What you see around you are the different answers ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You misunderstood me. Saying that Hamas should get out of the kitchen means that Hamas should not build their military infrastructure in civilian areas, prevent the population from evacuating, and then cry when there are inevitable civilian losses when Israel attacks Hamas. I did not mean to imply that attacking civilians is ok, it is not. I meant that attacking Hamas is the only current option left for Israel, and that if civilians are there, there will be civilian deaths.

About the quotes, I meant that evacuating a war zone is not ethnic cleansing. This is also the current situation in southern Israel, because of Hamas rockets and because some places attacked by Hamas were not yet rebuilt. This is also the current situation in southern Lebanon and northern Israel. You don't seem to be complaining about the ethnic cleansing of jews in the north of Israel, and rightly so, because evacuating a war zone is a very responsible thing to do. It only becomes ethnic cleansing in hindsight, when the war ends, if they are not allowed to return.

Also, why is ethnic cleansing part of genocide? These are two different crimes. They could come together, but can't ethnic cleansing be committed without committing genocide?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

They are being ordered to evacuate a war zone that Hamas chose. Hamas chose to use them as human shields. Israel is trying to get them out of the warzone.

Would you prefer they were not "ethnically cleansed" to shelters in the south? Would you prefer they die when the IDF attacks Hamas infrastructure and militants in the active warzones in the strip?

Or is it just that you would prefer that Israel doesn't attack Hamas and leave them ruling Gaza and preparing for their next attack?

What was genocidal about my comment? Implying that Hamas is responsible for this war? Or is it that I'm implying that Hamas can end it any minute?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

1947 called, it says you're misinformed, or worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You don't seem to know much about this conflict and about the area. There is a lot of Hamas in the west bank. Look at the pictures of the killed militants from the past weeks in the west bank, a majority of them are draped in Hamas funeral flags, only a minority are PLO militants.

Secondly, Israel already accepted the validity of the Palestinian claims for the west bank and Gaza in multiple peace offers. They were not accepted by the Palestinians because they are not willing to accept Israel's right to exist.

If you have any other way of removing Hamas, let's hear it. If not, would you prefer the civilians were not evacuated?

Israel has many many Arabs in it, with equal rights. Hamas is the one that has in its charter the "cleansing of Palestine of the Jewish filth".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Hamas chose this to be a war zone by firing rockets from there and building tunnels there and holding hostages there.

IDF didn't choose Gaza to be the battlefield, Hamas chose it.

If Hamas can't stand the heat, maybe they should step out of the kitchen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Actually, its part if a Palestinian campaign to destroy Israel. Israel did offer a two state solution multiple times. Its the Palestinians that reject the right of Israel to exist, not the other way around.

Sacrificing their own population to gain support doesn't make them right.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There is no genocide. Speaking of it as if it was a proven fact is a mean rhetoric trick.

With the current situation in Israel we might see ethnic cleansing in a few years but we're not there yet.

Do you know what will prevent a future genocide? Finding a better way for Israel to protect itself against Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists. That will also be the only way to get Israel to exit the west bank.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I'm just here to say that any country that uses its civilians to protect its army can't complain about genocide, especially when the opposing army is giving them a chance to move away from the battlefield in advance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nope, what you'll get is more import, and strategic dependency on food producing countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Didn't the US stop doing this 20 years ago?

Besides, it's still better than Iran, and Russia. Fewer dead. Less economic strife, much much less injustice.

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