mortemtyrannis

Yeah what you’re describing is basically humans make morals.

The problem you should have with this is that currently society is fine with eating animal products.

Many societies were successful because they ate meat.

How do you reconcile a situation where you believe humans are the source of morals but you disagree with a particular moral created by humans I.e. that it’s ok to eat meat?

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

B12 is produced by microorganisms inside the guts of cows/ruminants.

They don’t inject B12 into animals as far as I know. Maybe you could link a source for that? First I’ve ever heard of it.

Vegans. Vegans are claiming there are moral facts when they say that I am wrong for consuming animal products.

Although I’ve had discussions with vegans who claim they aren’t moral realists, I can’t recall a satisfactory argument for a moral anti-realist vegan position.

If you’d like to offer one, please do.

I agree, morals are a societal thing and right now it’s perfectly socially acceptable to eat meat.

How I apply this to my own actions is by conforming to the made up rules of society because that seems to keep me alive.

If I lived in a vegan society and it was not socially acceptable to eat meat I likely wouldn’t.

I literally talk and gave a link about B12 fortified foods in the comment you replied to.

Nothing is inherently wrong with cannibalism.

I’m not a moral realist. So I don’t believe in moral facts I.e. that murder is ‘wrong’ or being charitable is ‘right’

It’s kid stuff (IMO) to believe in mystical rights and wrongs of the universe. The universe does not care one iota that you cease to exist tomorrow or if all humans were to become extinct (IMO).

If you disagree please point me to the source of your morals, how do you know what’s right and what’s wrong?

I can deny the importance of human experience (the heat death of the universe will erase all traces of our existence and impact) without wanting to kill humans right now.

How did you conclude the experiences of animals matter?

How do you know animals are having experiences?

How do you know human experiences matter?

I don’t claim to have any answers to the above but I’ve never heard a satisfactory answer to these questions other than ‘I just believe it is so’ and if it boils down to my belief versus your belief I have to conclude that neither one of us actually has any idea.

If you’re vegan and you don’t supplement with B12 or eat food specifically fortified with B12, I don’t think you’re being optimally healthy.

You don’t have to believe me though, just read what the vegan society has to say on this.

If you’re suggesting you can get enough b12 purely through a diet without animal products, supplements or fortified food you’ve misunderstood nutritional science.

What I’m railing against is this; vegans say that omnivores eat meat only for taste pleasure and that’s a straw man argument.

No one just eats meat for taste because there is also a nutritional component. In the same way vegans have to supplement with B12 to be healthy so they recognise that things must be eaten beyond just taste pleasure.

Orrrrr AOC for president, Bernie for Vice.

I care.

Kamala Harris is such a good candidate even Donald Trump financially supports her.

Rotting Bloated Corpse (D) for president!