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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Look, I do understand, and it took me a while to buy into the wireless buds thing, but you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.

The fact is, if you want to keep your old peripherals, but upgrade your main compute device, at some point you need to accept that you'll need an adapter.

The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s as a mini version of the 6.5mm jack... which was used as far back as 1878... it's had a hell of a run, but if you weigh the pros and cons fairly, wireless as a standard has drawbacks, but is actually, ultimately an upgrade and it's well overdue.

I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it's not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

My main issue with all of this is that I'm not interested in maintaining a charge for yet another wireless device.

I'm a frequent flier for work. My wired noise cancelling headphones run on a single AAA battery for 14+ hours straight. I can buy a small pack of AAA batteries at the airport in 30 seconds and get 60 hours of listening time. I don't have to worry about putting them back in their carrying/charger case. I don't have to worry about charging that case. If they go flat and I don't have a spare AAA battery (the case actually has a convenient hole for a spare AAA), they still work, albeit with a noisier background. And they plug into in flight entertainment system headphone sockets. Haven't seen a Bluetooth option on IFE systems yet.

Would I want to go jogging with my wired headphones? No. I do have a pair of bose wireless earbuds, and they're nice. But every time I think about using them, they are flat in their charging case. I don't want to have to keep the charging case on charge soooooo for 90 percent of my usage , the wired ones it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My noise-canceling, Bluetooth headphones in 2004 ran for 2 days, no problem (back when I was flying for work all the time).

"Another thing to charge" is a strawman. They all use C or micro today, and headphones use so little power your laptop can easily charge them. Or even your phone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Another thing to charge" is a strawman.

They are not functional for the time it takes to get a useful charge into them. I'll just pause that movie and pop my buds back into their charging case for a while, it's so convenient. So, like I said, you have to maintain their charge, alongside the other devices that have to have their charge maintained.

A lot of it has to do with BLE running constantly in the background (things like find my buds, "easy connect" features with their own management app tend to use it). If you fly like, once a week , and have a headset for flying, you need to check on its charge, as BLE will slowly grind it down to nothing while it sits in your travel bag.

My noise-canceling, Bluetooth headphones in 2004 ran for 2 days, no problem (back when I was flying for work all the time).

What brand were they? I bought my current set of Bose corded noise cancelling headphones in 2015 precisely because battery life in Bluetooth products was still reasonably abysmal. I'm guessing that they were one of the very first sets to come out, seeing that regular consumer Bluetooth headphones only appeared on the market in 2003.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You're arguing as if wireless audio is somehow better as ps2, etc was replaced by something better.

It's simply not. You either buy a dumbass dongle or have to charge yet another thing. Along with that you can't charge and listen to music at the same time without aforementioned dumb wireless ear buds.

It was a money grab, plain and simple. The 3.5 Jack is still monumentally viable and an asset.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s simply not.

Ye, well, that's just, like, your opinion man...

But seriously, that highly subjective. I'll take wireless over wired any day thanks. The inconvenience of having to charge the buds is not actually as bad as you're making it out to be. You can charge and listen if you consider charging the case as still being charging the whole unit.

The convenience of not having to deal with the damm cables themselves outweighs the inconvenience of needing to occasionally charge them for me, and clearly I'm not alone.

Someone smarter than me can talk about audio quality over wireless, but when we're talking about streaming music from Spotify, it's moot anyway.

The fact is, for the vast majority of mobile users, wireless is an upgrade over wired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

But seriously, that highly subjective. I'll take wireless over wired any day thanks.

You're right, it is subjective. The point is, you don't have to choose. You can have both and sacrifice nothing. But what you want is simply for everyone else to have fewer options.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.

You could but it would be a shit argument because that was a very logical and objective improvement and this is not.

The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s

That is a pro, not a con. Because it means my headphones and other devices, regardless of how old, will still work just fine on brand new devices. Meanwhile your shitpod headphones will have to be thrown away after a year and you have to lick Tim Cook's boots to buy another pair.

I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it's not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.

And all of them come with drawbacks, and having a headphone jack comes with none.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it would be a shit argument

This is fundamentally where we disagree. See my other comment

That is a pro, not a con

Never said it was a con, nor did I mean to imply that jacks are obsolete overall, only that it's a valid move to not include them on a device that is primarily used to stream audio and thus doesn't need the extra fidelity. Unless you want to try and tell me that Joe Public should be lugging around gigabytes of flac files?

lick Tim Cook’s boots

Lol, personally I prefer the taste of Han Jong-hee or Kenichiro Yoshida's boots

jack comes with none.

Respectfully, this is rose tinted glasses talking. Do you know what my wireless buds workflow is?

  1. Open case
  2. Insert buds into ears and wait for "Bluetooth connected"
  3. Tap left bud
  4. Music plays.

Compare that to

  1. Pull out buds
  2. Untangle cord
  3. Pull out phone
  4. Fumble jack into the microphone hole for 2 minutes
  5. Look at device, and insert jack into correct hole.
  6. Unlock phone
  7. Open music app of choice
  8. Hit play
  9. Music plays

With wireless buds, I don't even have to know exactly where my phone is. To say nothing of having to carry it around with me which, if you're doing housework, or a workout can be a pain.

Also, anyone who's ever had buds forcibly ripped from their ears because they've dropped their phone will tell you:

Wired buds ALSO have drawbacks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is fundamentally where we disagree. See my other comment

I replied to "your other comment".

only that it's a valid move to not include them on a device that is primarily used to stream audio and thus doesn't need the extra fidelity.

The fidelity is one of many many pros we have listed

Unless you want to try and tell me that Joe Public should be lugging around gigabytes of flac files?

I don't understand what this has to do with anything.

Do you know what my wireless buds workflow is?

You're missing the point. Pros and cons of each don't matter because you don't have to choose. You can have both. We had both, for decades. You can continue using whatever workflow you want. The existence of a headphone jack does not stop you from continuing to use Bluetooth. I was obviously referring to the cons of having the option of choosing wired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I replied to “your other comment”.

I meant the one made elsewhere in this thread where I explain why I don't think it's a shit argument. I think the wireless is a legitimate upgrade over wired when we're talking about a mobile phone.

The fidelity is one of many many pros we have listed
I don’t understand what this has to do with anything.

I'm trying to point out that your "pro" of better fidelity doesn't mean anything in a space where people aren't using a lossless format, and so aren't taking advantage of that extra fidelity anyway. This is admittedly an area I'm not strong in, so I could well be wrong, but I don't think there's any difference between wired and wireless when the source is Spotify.

you don’t have to choose.

Alright, this is fair. It would be great to keep the option for both. However, I don't think it's fair to knock Fairphone for not offering this option though, particularly because it takes space on the pcb and is an extra component cost (yes, a small one, I admit)

People are calling it a money grab move to not include a headphone jack, and I just don't think that's fair.