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The Fairphone 5 is less about what comes in the box and more about what you get over the years (www.theverge.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.

You could but it would be a shit argument because that was a very logical and objective improvement and this is not.

The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s

That is a pro, not a con. Because it means my headphones and other devices, regardless of how old, will still work just fine on brand new devices. Meanwhile your shitpod headphones will have to be thrown away after a year and you have to lick Tim Cook's boots to buy another pair.

I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it's not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.

And all of them come with drawbacks, and having a headphone jack comes with none.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it would be a shit argument

This is fundamentally where we disagree. See my other comment

That is a pro, not a con

Never said it was a con, nor did I mean to imply that jacks are obsolete overall, only that it's a valid move to not include them on a device that is primarily used to stream audio and thus doesn't need the extra fidelity. Unless you want to try and tell me that Joe Public should be lugging around gigabytes of flac files?

lick Tim Cook’s boots

Lol, personally I prefer the taste of Han Jong-hee or Kenichiro Yoshida's boots

jack comes with none.

Respectfully, this is rose tinted glasses talking. Do you know what my wireless buds workflow is?

Open case
Insert buds into ears and wait for "Bluetooth connected"
Tap left bud
Music plays.

Compare that to

Pull out buds
Untangle cord
Pull out phone
Fumble jack into the microphone hole for 2 minutes
Look at device, and insert jack into correct hole.
Unlock phone
Open music app of choice
Hit play
Music plays

With wireless buds, I don't even have to know exactly where my phone is. To say nothing of having to carry it around with me which, if you're doing housework, or a workout can be a pain.

Also, anyone who's ever had buds forcibly ripped from their ears because they've dropped their phone will tell you:

Wired buds ALSO have drawbacks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is fundamentally where we disagree. See my other comment

I replied to "your other comment".

only that it's a valid move to not include them on a device that is primarily used to stream audio and thus doesn't need the extra fidelity.

The fidelity is one of many many pros we have listed

Unless you want to try and tell me that Joe Public should be lugging around gigabytes of flac files?

I don't understand what this has to do with anything.

Do you know what my wireless buds workflow is?

You're missing the point. Pros and cons of each don't matter because you don't have to choose. You can have both. We had both, for decades. You can continue using whatever workflow you want. The existence of a headphone jack does not stop you from continuing to use Bluetooth. I was obviously referring to the cons of having the option of choosing wired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I replied to “your other comment”.

I meant the one made elsewhere in this thread where I explain why I don't think it's a shit argument. I think the wireless is a legitimate upgrade over wired when we're talking about a mobile phone.

The fidelity is one of many many pros we have listed
I don’t understand what this has to do with anything.

I'm trying to point out that your "pro" of better fidelity doesn't mean anything in a space where people aren't using a lossless format, and so aren't taking advantage of that extra fidelity anyway. This is admittedly an area I'm not strong in, so I could well be wrong, but I don't think there's any difference between wired and wireless when the source is Spotify.

you don’t have to choose.

Alright, this is fair. It would be great to keep the option for both. However, I don't think it's fair to knock Fairphone for not offering this option though, particularly because it takes space on the pcb and is an extra component cost (yes, a small one, I admit)

People are calling it a money grab move to not include a headphone jack, and I just don't think that's fair.