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ITT: Russian sympathisers coping
It's good news; though, nothing spectacular like the earlier offensive. It's to be expected though, the muscovites have had time to build up those defences.
It's shit like this that makes this one of the hardest wars to follow. Before that, it was Syria.
The Russian commanders, who were wrong to invade, have learned a lot since the initial invasion. It's the same reason that Assads army was much better after they lost a lot of their soldiers. When you have a lot of your army die, on average, the ones remaining are the ones who managed to stay alive who, again on average, are now much more experienced combat troops.
The Russians did exactly what Ukraine did during the Russian offensive. They pulled back behind their minefields, and then used artillery to drop more mines on the assaulting force that was in the process of clearing mines. This was the same tactic that the Ukrainians used to great success that caused a bunch of Russian tanks to be blown up in columns in Vulhedar.
Remember, good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. If the basis of your view of why you think a given side is losing is because you don't like them, then you aren't actually interested in the war. Just in cheerleading your team.
Honestly, I can't understand the strategic goal of how the Ukrainians are running this particular offensive. It truly seems to be to spend as much Ukrainian blood to secure western financial and logistical support. Not to actually gain territory they can hold. At least, that's my best guess with articles like this in the American media: Politico
you know it's possible to 'dislike' Russia and at the same time know that they will completely overpower Ukraine, right? you're letting your hatred for Russia blind your understanding of military power and strategy
Anyone that "knows" they will completely overpower Ukraine apparently stopped paying attention to reality many years ago. They've been proven to be incapable of it.
oh cool, i've found the military understander. so what is Ukraine's strategy here? What does victory look like for them?
In weapons, ammunition, and soldiers Russia outnumbers the AFU, as assessed by any reasonable expert. Russia sees this as a special military operation, not a war. They are comfortable being conservative with their resources and not committing too many at once (which is what they've done so far). Even with this restraint, they are killing Ukrainian soldiers at a higher rate than Russian soldiers are dying. Russia has an army, including reserves, of around 2million soldiers.
Look I hate seeing young men sent into a meat thresher because they are serving the interests of NATO and capitalist interests. I wish the AFU had the courage to not waste the lives of their soldiers and come to the negotiating table so that no more lives are senselessly wasted
What's to negotiate? Russia has seized Ukrainian territory. Ukraine wants it back. There's nothing for Ukraine to concede.
The only side "wasting" lives here is Russia, if they'd just go home the war would be over. Ukraine's not going to try seizing any Russian territory.
i am once again urging you to understand that the war began in 2014.
the LPR and DPR regions are ethnically russian. they were living peacefully until 2014 when their political parties were disbanded and they've been systematically shelled by ukranians every day since 2014. minsk 2 would have reintegrated Donbas with Ukraine with some protections for its minority population, but Ukraine didn’t even implement the first step. zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the war, but when he tried Azov told him they would rather coup his government than stand down. at some point when negotiations are broken down the only thing any organization has left to do is resort to violence, which the Russian state did when it felt threatened enough by NATO (which if you’ll recall spent months warmongering prior to the invasion start) to justify the risk.
Of course, the people of the Donbas were just sitting there peacefully doing nothing when all of a sudden the Ukranians started shelling them. That was the start of the military action, silly me. Good thing all those vacationing Russian soldiers happened to be there a the time to defend them.
In 2022 it also just happened that russia was hosting possibly the largest military excercise in recent memory right on Ukraine's border when the situation turned too menacing. Good they happened to have all those cruise missiles ready as if they hadn't acted, russia would have been wiped out or something...
Occam's razor cuts well on the two "possible" viewpoints of this war.
First is that big country sees an opportunity to capture land from a smaller one. In multiple stages between 2014 and 2022. A very limited amount of assumptions that can explain what is happening...
Second presumes that all the occupied areas secretly wanted to be a part of russia, nato is threatening russian territory while not being present, non affiliated soldiers with russian (but not russian) equipment occupy areas, a jewish president turns out to be in charge of a genocidial nazi regime that just has to be replaced with a peaceful one, and finally all of this is best achieved by a 3 day (actually 476) special military operation that has a goal of achieving something, but nobody actually knows what.
Funny thing is what you sarcastically said is very close to what happened. I think you should be part of reddit legion on Ukrainian frontlines.
That's the most tankie shit I have read in a while. I don't get how anyone with a modicum of humanity can go out of their way to defend the war of aggression Russia is waging against the people (mostly civilians!) of Ukraine.
You seriously need to stop living in your tiny bubble. The shit you are spewing is just sad and you probably don't even get why what you say is awful.
So I sincerely ask you to either become a better person or just stfu.
Stop, you will make them cry back to lemmygrad!
I love how you think the person who is going against the dominant Western narrative is the one living in a bubble when the US operates the largest, most effective, and most funded disinformation and propaganda apparatus in the history of the world.
The "Muscovites"?
Russians, without any double meanings that Russian sympathizers could jump in and say "aha, racists!" or "aha, russophobes!" over.
The two places in Russia that aren't pro-Ukrainian war, are Moscow and St Petersburg.
Putins powerbase is sort of the equivalent to Trump or Erdogan. The people in the larger cities don't like him, but the rural areas love him.
He is a Russophobe. Report him.
Russophobe because he’s antiPutin and anti-invasion? Tf you smoking tankie
You are the one sniffing, projecting neofascist.
Sure, you just keep gargling Putin's cock and calling everyone else fascists. lmao. I'm a Marxist. Proud anti-imperialist. Full-on America-bad here. But I'm not going to defend a literal authoritarian dictator and an obvious war of aggression. You 🤡
You claim to be a Marxist, yet you deepthroat the boots of NATO and the fascist Maidan regime. And people call us redfash.
Why do you libs always go with the homophobic insults?
Lmao sure. Keep simping for the dictator that literally locked up Pussy Riot and LGBTQ folks for existing. Your projection and false concern bullshit doesn’t work for people with more than two neurons to rub together.
Pussy Riot are a CIA op.
And the other queer people arrested? Tankie fuck.
I don't know why you think opposing America's forever wars equals claiming that their targets are perfect utopias. The US literally has over 20% of the world's prison population working as slaves for private profit. Why do you libs always try to use the gays to push your far right agendas? A few comments ago you were calling people homophobic slurs. smh
And for the record I happily suck dick. That you brain dead orcs see that as an insult just shows your full ass. It’s whose cock you’re sucking is (obviously) the problem, war crime apologist.
You were the one who used it as an insult here though :\
This is about as believable as you being a Marxist. You were caught being a homophobe plain and simple. Please stop with the homophobia.
Show me anywhere I was a war crime apologist Karen. Maybe you should take a few deep breaths before replying. You're losing it.
I don’t give a fuck what you believe, tankie fuck. Your concern trolling while simping for a country and dictator that literally imprisons people like me will never not be obvious, meaningless hypocritical trolling. You christofascist Putinists all give actual communists a bad name. Marx would be ashamed.
Where have I been simping? I'm just telling the truth here and you're balling crying all over your keyboard because you can't handle reality.
What even is "Putinism"? There's no such thing. You've been just trained to repeat nonsense words because you're credulous and hate filled.
Sure whatever you say 🙄
No answer again. Another L.
OoOoo THREE responses! 🤡 You suuuuure showed me! That MUST mean you’re right, and not just a big dim tankie fuck whose worn out the patience of those around you. Get fucked tankie, you’re on the wrong side of history, and i absolutely love how mad you are that you and yours are losing this safe space.
Cool. Hard luck on losing.
🤡🤡🤡🤡
Thank you, come again.
I'm here all day.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
So have we calmed down any?
Lmfao the projection is insane. Where did I ever imply I support America? Fuck America. Fuck the prison industrial complex. But fuck you for playing apologetics for an obvious war of aggression, filled with war crimes, started at the behest of an authoritarian anti-lgbt dictator that happily kills his own people to maintain his tenuous grasp on power. This isn’t hard.
You're repeating transparently false American propaganda. It's America's proxy war, they've openly admitted this on countless occasions. Do you honestly contend that the US is pouring billions into this because they're humanitarians? Is it? Answer this.
Russia tried for almost a decade to pursue peace in the face of US/NATO aggression. We later learned from Hollande and Merkel that the US had no intention of allowing for peace. This is recorded historical fact.
What’s historical fact is Putin openly talking about wanting to annex Ukraine since before he came to power, and the documented war crimes and atrocities he’s committed in power before, up to and during this war of aggression that - for SoMe ReAsON - you orcs support. Get. Fucked. Tankie. Fuck. 🤡😂
Wall of irrelevant gibberish.
Do you deny the historical fact that I was talking about?
Why can't you answer simple questions?
Why are you so angry?
This isn’t a debate, I don’t need to “answer” anything. I’m here to laugh at you losers tripping over yourselves to deny what is obvious to anyone with eyes: that you’re backing an authoritarian dictator invading a European country in an obvious war of aggression. And you’re losing, tankie fuck 😂😂😂
Sorry but this is a debate. If you want to conceded just don't answer and we can all take it that you've conceded.
Yet all you're managing to do is rage and cry and hurl homophobic abuse.
We'll see if you can answer your questions or if you've lost.
This is such a brain dead take. The state of Russia did not launch a war of aggression at the behest of a dictator to maintain a tenuous grasp on power.
The US, the only country to ever use nuclear bombs against an opponent, who used them against civilians, decided to build a transnational nuclear military. They called it NATO. It is accountable to no citizens. It is accountable to no democratic body of any nation. It is accountable to the hegemonic power of the US. Instead of the US building an empire in Europe to project its force against Russia and China, it built this new thing, this never before seen thing. It is a military that supervenes national borders and national sovereignty. It occupies Europe without oppressing those that it occupies. And it has always been and forever will be directed at controlling Europe against all that threaten the interests of the US, including European nations. Specifically, it is directed at Russia, just as the Third Reich was, which is why NATO was built after the fall of the Third Reich and staffed with "former" Nazi officers at all levels of the organization.
This transnational nuclear force has been deploying nuclear capabilities in a never ending march to completely encircle Russia for the past several decades. Through the coup in Ukraine in 2014, the US finally had a right-wing government that would support the continued expansion of this transnational nuclear force aimed directly at Russia. Russia has been strategizing about this possibility since NATO was formed and we know this because A) Russia was invaded TWICE by Western countries through the Ukraine border, the most recent one being the Third Reich and B) as the USSR was being dismantled all leadership on both sides was very clear about how important it was that Ukraine not be militarized against Russia. We know that the US has been strategizing since the 1990s on how to militarize Ukraine against Russia.
So when the Russian state finally intervenes to stop the expansion of the transnational nuclear military that draws direct inheritance from the last fascist regime that invaded Russia through Ukraine, it is the height of clownishness to attribute the invasion to "Putin hates queer people and thinks he's Adonis and also is a ruthless dictator that lives only to kill and be rich". Your analysis doesn't even reach the complexity of a 17 year old explaining the drama in the WWE.
If you are a proud anti-imperialist Marxist, I am Karl Marx and strip you of your Marxist label right now. You are a weasel and a grifter, and a useful idiot of genocidal Anglo empire.
In a few days you weasels will experience horror, if you think this is too much. And your brain will either be dewormed or you get contained in some obscure Lemmy instance, or go back to Reddit, the CIA hometown.
Pretty sure that describes pretty much the entire planet now.
The entire planet according to dronies.
The only coping here is coming from people who think that the fact that Ukraine hasn't even reached the first line of defence in over a week is some kind of a stunning success. To give people some perspective, here's what western media said Ukraine would have to achieve in the first day in order to succeed https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/