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Not defending Hanas but just curious, if you were living in Gaza under seige and oppression, what would an ideal government be like from your prespective?
I personally cant rhink of any.
You’re putting yourself in other peoples’ shoes. That’s not how we judge people. Might I suggest entitlement or privilege to curb this behavior in the future?
I would say not a group based on some religious nonsense. I get all this us versus them mindset, but I personally would never follow or vote for a group that wants to eradicate people because of what god they believe in. I just can't understand this mentality and never will. This is one of the reasons I exited the church...
People tend to resort to religion when they are in dark place. Countries with high poverty levels would tend to be very religious. Its just a coping mechanism with poverty, injustice and hopelessness.
Had you been born in these conditions, you also would've been very very religious (or committed suicide otherwise). But also what if Gaza was not religious? They are still at mercy of Israel/Egypt. They can't export anything without these countries approval. They travel without their approvals, they can't invite experts to come without their approval. Its hopeless eitherway
Stop making sense. It goes against what I was told to believe.
Well, you've got a direct parallel with Fatah and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank who don't openly plot to murder civilians, so at the very least, I'd probably prefer them.
Fatah also does nothing as their people are murdered and chased out of their homes so...
I would like to think I wouldn't believe that murdering 200 civilians at a music festival is a productive response to that.
I don't know what the best response to Israel's actions in the West Bank is, but I do know that it doesn't involve intentionally murdering babies (whether or not their heads were attached to their bodies).
I mean yeah true enough. Just saying that Fatah's do nothing strategy obviously isn't working.
Sure. The point is it is not exactly an insurmountable challenge to imagine a Palestinian government that is strictly better than Hamas (unless your measurement of quality is murdering Jews).
It's not as if Hamas has been making the life of everyday Gazans very pleasant. Life isn't a paradise in the West Bank by any means, but it's certainly much better, and a huge part of that comes from the fact that the West Bank isn't lobbing rockets at Israel all the time.
I mean, that's true, but what can that government do when Israel has refused peace basically continuously for almost thirty years? "Just do nothing" isn't an answer, and Palestinians have gradually had all non-violent answers taken from them.
Until you're the one whose village is getting emptied by Israeli settlers. Or until you're the one who's getting shot down by Israeli raids.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that we apparently disagree on whether deliberately murdering babies can ever be justified, regardless of how justifiable one's anger and resentment are, and given that, I don't have much more to say.
They could have, you know, not murdered 1000 Israelis that has since led to thousands of dead Gazans. That would probably have been an improvement. The quality of life of the average Gazan today is noticeably worse than it was three weeks ago, and this would not be the case if Hamas had not have done what it did.
I'm done here.
Nope, we don't. I'm not defending the stuff Hamas did during their attack. That's just inexcusable. I was talking more about the big picture of the conflict.
and how is that working out from them? Israel keeps taking more from their land to build illegal settlements for Israelis.