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Wild how much footage is coming out of Gaza right now showing an actual ongoing genocide, yet Zionists and their water-carriers will harp on and on about how Israel is merely defending itself.
Nothing of the sort from Xinjiang. At all.
I'd like to see ONE verifiable image or video depicting this supposed Uyghur genocide we're denying. ONE. Apparently it's one of the worst human atrocities occuring right now. One of the worst in HISTORY.
So... show me a single picture. Fetish porn doesn't count. Where are the dead bodies? Where are these supposed mass graves?
Love to break it to ya, they don't fucking exist and they never did. You've been lied to.
The US state department lawyers and the British House of Lords have evidence. That's why they're pursuing convictions of the Chinese leaders involved. No, waitβ sorry, I misremembered. They both concluded there is insufficient evidence.
So you agree that there is a strong argument for Russia seeking genocide in Ukraine as well, right?
Israel has killed more civilians (mostly children and women) in a month of war than Russia has killed in almost two years. The Russians actually target almost exclusively military infrastructure, they have preserved electrical grids, water stations, communications infrastructure, etc.. Not because they are "good guys", obviously, but it's a part of their strategy. But it shows genocide is not a part of this strategy.
That was easy.
The article was written by Timofei Sergeitsev, a Russian "philosopher" with no direct link to the government. The article in the website you linked was written in early April 2022, very early after the war, when no one knew what to expect. It was claimed it was "proof" the Russians was intending to genocide Ukrainians.
More than a year later, have we seen anything like it? Have we seen active actions from the Russians to consistently destroy civilian buildings and systematically cause civilian casualties on purpose? I at least haven't, unless we are talking about a completely different war which I'm not aware. I don't excuse the Russians of anything, I'm sticking with the facts. The Russians have been very careful not to cause non-military casualties, which is extremely odd for a genocidal regime.
So, in short, it's your article written by a guy with no links to the government vs. what the actual war itself shows in practice. I prefer to see what practice shows us.
Feels like ad hominem. The point is that you are unwilling to even engage with the idea that Russia seeks to eliminate Ukrainian identity, an idea which is reported by a number of primary Russian sources in a variety of media. Putin himself expresses frequent open skepticism of Ukrainian nationality. Not to even mention the internationally recognized mass deportation of children.
I won't argue that Israel isn't an apartheid state engaging in collective punishment. Meanwhile you will turn yourself in circles to defend Russian aggression, and for the life of me I can figure out what that has to do with liberating workers. It just feels less like intellectual honesty and more like campism. But then somehow I'm the brainwashed goon for actually attempting to maintain something resembling ideological consistency.
Camarada Forte did engage with this argument. The person who created this supposed dossier dictating Russia's desire to destroy the Ukrainian identity has no direct link to the Russian government.
You need evidence we can engage with. We cannot meaningfully engage with empty platitudes.
Do you know what was going on in eastern Ukraine, beginning in 2014? Pretty similar to what's going on in Gaza right now. Hint: it was not Russian artillery leveling homes, schools, and hospitals.
Awfully defensive there, bud. Speaking of ad hominem. π
Is that like a litmus test? Next time I'm ordering pizza I'll ask the restaurant if they are willing to engage with the idea that Russia seeks to eliminate Ukrainian identity.
Literally no idea why you brought that up again lol
To be fair, inside the Russia itself some Putin's words about Ukrainian history are criticized. Therefore, I would not speak for all of Russia. Most of the russian people have an extremely negative attitude towards the Ukrainian right-wing radical government and a positive attitude towards the ukrainian people. And the media is not trying to change these opinions with the exception of a few of the dumbest loudmouths. So your words about genocide are nonsense.
Oh so it's not a "Kremlin paper", it's just what some guy thinks. If there are "no more Nazis in Ukraine than anywhere else" then there are no more nazis in Russia than anywhere else π