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Stereotypical religious nutjobs in the 80s and 90s were all "The end is nigh!" Now that science supports them, they're all "Everything is A-OK!" (lemm.ee)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They’ve believed the end is near for 2000 years.

Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.

The gymnastics to make it make sense are that he had a vision of the end when he ‘wrote’ Revelations.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.

Wait what, really?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Matthew 16:28

I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Mark 9:1

And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:27

I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God

Re saying John wouldn’t die, that’s actually an inference but a not uncommon theological belief among evangelicals. John 21:20-23

“20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”” .

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I believe OP is referring to Matthew 24:34 (Jesus is speaking answering the question of when he will return): "Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That is another, yes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It never explicitly mentions a “rapture”, but describes an event that evangelicals have interpreted to mean one will happen. Not all denominations believe in the idea…per usual amongst the many diverse belief systems of Christianity.

The most popularly referenced text is this:

In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (New International Version), it is written:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I was raised Orthodox and it was never talked about as a "rapture" that specific day was talked about as a good thing when the dead will be reunited with their loved ones and stuff. As bringing heaven to Earth. And that's why Orthodox are resistant to the idea of cremation, so that you have a physical body to rise. (But I don't think most view it as literally necessary, just a symbolic thing.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die?

Wait, really !

Mohammed said a similar thing, he saw a boy and said: "before this kid dies the world will end", the kid grew up and died and still here we are..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Never said such a thing, Mohammed CLEARLY states that he doesn't know when the world will end in several famous hadith.

In fact Mohammed said the world wouldn't end until several things happen not the other way around.

Some of which are already happening now. Like the arabs competing to build tall buildings.

If you want to challenge this point bring a source and then we can talk.

My source: Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith number 50

[+] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You make three points, correct me if I'm wrong:

The prophet said contradicting things.
The prophets' predictions are in a "safe zone" and can't prove anything (Non-Sequitur).
The prophet claimed the Final Hour would come before a certain person died.

For 1: The burden of proof is on you, you have failed to give any examples in your reply as I will now show.

For 2: The prophet made hundreds of predictions in his life time some of which have already come to pass. You are correct in that a single good prediction doesn't conclusively prove anything, however, having an unbroken record of good predictions with zero failed is proof enough for the pragmatist person.

And the prophet has never made a false prediction. Many so-called oracles have come after him and all of them have at least one failed prediction (Nostradamus for example).

For 3: You misunderstood the hadith, from the translation it says "your Last Hour" and the meaning stands in Arabic.

The meaning of their last hour is their own deaths not the calamity of Qiyama. And it came to pass that they all died before that young child.

This is well known for average muslims.

This is even made clear in the parentheses "he would see you dying".

A video a brother made with some predictions of the prophet that have already came to pass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIqd_-1Zus

Edit: typo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

the kid grew up and died and still here we are…

what if it did end and this is actual purgatory?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

You're full of crap. I'm Muslim and Mohammed was very clear in stating how the world would end. Including how the US will be three islands way before that due to an impact of a comet. The prophecies are very detailed. Google minor and major signs of qiyama

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well there happens to be one man who qualifies.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XOTKDgrdvdg