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Eyewitness testimony reported Wednesday by Al Jazeera accused Israeli troops of massacring forcibly displaced women and children sheltering at a school in northern Gaza,

The Israeli soldiers came in and opened fire on them," one unidentified witness said. "They took all men, then entered classrooms and opened fire on a woman and all the children with her," including "newborn children."

"The Israeli soldiers executed those innocent families point-blank," she added.

A man who arrived at the scene after the alleged mass murder told Al Jazeera that "we found dozens of dead bodies in the classrooms."

"There is no sign of any missiles or shells," he added. "All those who were in the buildings were executed from point-blank. The Israeli soldiers opened fire on them. Many families came searching for their children. They found them all killed. They were all killed, executed at gunpoint."

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago (21 children)

As of press time, the alleged massacre had not been independently verified.

It is irresponsible to publish such serious accusations without verification.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (15 children)

Hey sorry, I'm just a bit curious about when you developed this strongly held view as it seems at odds with your previous posts?

Like for instance here where you readily accepted Israel's claims about Ibrahim Biari being in the refugee camp they bombed without independent verification?

I'm guessing some profound and enlightening experience in this past month has convinced you to be more critical of news sources and your previous comment has nothing to do with your support of Israel's actions such as your genocide denial or making excuses for why bombing a refugee camp was actually okay.

It just feels like your comment was made in bad-faith here, but I'm sure it was well intended.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (19 children)

What would independent verification mean on this? Who would qualify as independent that could reach the scene and evaluate it? At some point you can't just decide that since the invading and allegedly responsible power doesn't allow international investigations then no potential crime can ever be responsibly reported.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you think that statement should not have been included in the article?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What statement? I think that it hasn't been independently verified is essential, because it's true, but the person I responded to wanted the entire story to not be published.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (24 children)

Hamas bases under hospitals, 40 beheaded babies and mass rape allegations against Hamas sure didn't need independent verification.

When it's IDF propaganda any developing story can go on the most "reputable site" . But a story against Israel? High press standards activated!

Aljazeera doesn't just make up stories there's a high probability that there is truth to this since those people didn't just randomly die on their own and the IDF did raid the place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's worth pointing out that "Al Jazeera says after interviewing witnesses" is also very different from "the IDF says". One is a news organization that's known for generally being neutral. The other is literally one of the combatants. If anything, we should be holding the IDF to a higher standard.

Not to mention this is fairly easy to validate and confirm. The reporters who did the interviews will have transcripts and notes from it. They can release those without breaking privacy or identifying anyone, and if the notes tell the same story, it's unlikely to be fabricated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

AJ is about as neutral as Hamas is in this war.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Like accusations of charred babies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

‘Twas decapitated not charred.

They showed pictures of charred.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They published unverified IDF claims all the time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Which was also wrong.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Don't forget to post this on all the jpost/timesofisrael testimonies.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

They can publish witness accounts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but think of the clicks! All those juicy, juicy clicks!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Like the murdered Israeli babies, maybe.

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