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Research says involuntary celibate men make "fundamental errors" about what women want in a partner.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Malignant misogyny isn't mental illness.

We can address problems with male alienation, isolation, and loneliness without having to coddle terrorist reactionaries.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No but that doesn't mean it doesn't need addressing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

that depends on what you mean by addressing - there's a ton of apologism for incels, as if they're being persecuted.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2021/07/12/political-discrimination-as-civil-rights-struggle/

So yeah, there's a spectrum here and women accepting abusive and misogynist partners is definitely in the right wing playbook.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Providing mental help does not equal women accepting abusive partners, how tf did you make that mental leap?

Edit: Upon reread, I see that you were genuine, and I actually do need to check and correct myself. Apologies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

how tf did you make that mental leap?

did you read the link or just jump into the comments with a rageon? because the link explains how the right wing thinks of this shit. I didn't make it up, they did.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

My bad, I assumed we were actually staying on topic - getting incels mental help. I'll correct myself and assume from now on that any comments that fail to make sense are bad-faith attempts to co-opt a post.

Edit: Upon reread, I see that you were genuine, and I actually do need to check and correct myself. I apologize.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah I got that. that’s why I responded:

that depends on what you mean by addressing

because there’s a wide array of responses and I’m genuinely curious to learn what the OP of this thread meant. Not because I was attacking their premise, but because there’s past history of this tact - that the world should accommodate a percentage of the population who have shown misogynistic tendencies. To which I say: nah. nope. naw.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I apologize. I've been up for twenty-four hours, the last twelve of which were on a delayed and then stranded bus in a snow storm. I was taking out my frustrations on you, and was needlessly snarky.

Upon reread, I see that you were genuine, and I actually do need to check and correct myself. I'll leave my earlier comments up with an edit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Really living up to your third ideal there. Genuine respect for acknowledging fault in an internet argument

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Journey before destination, the next step is always the most important.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would I mean apologism? They need their worldview reprogramming because their current worldview is misogynistic and false. Reprogramming would include comprehensive challenging of negative attitudes and modelling of correct, non-misogynistic beliefs. It should be done by people with psychological training because they have the skills and knowhow needed to reprogramme someone's thinking but it doesn't particularly need mental health professionals or collusive, misplaced sympathy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I provided a link to the line of thought. If that's not you, great. But that doesn't mean it's not real.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I think you'll find that when you have what you need and dissolving that which you need not, there's way less room for crap like racism and the -phobias

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (41 children)

No but it can absolutely be a trauma response.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I’m not entirely sure they’re fully unrelated either though.