this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2024
802 points (97.4% liked)

memes

9312 readers
1612 users here now

Community rules

1. Be civilNo trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour

2. No politicsThis is non-politics community. For political memes please go to [email protected]

3. No recent repostsCheck for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month

4. No botsNo bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins

5. No Spam/AdsNo advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live.

Sister communities

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes. If you give two sets of people sugar pills and tell one set they are sugar pills, and the other that they're eg painkillers, the latter group will report (on average) a reduction in pain related issues while taking them.

This is why alternative treatments that don't medicinally do anything, like homeopathy, can appear to be effective - people believe they work and so they do, but if they just believed a cheap sugar pill they would help them, it would do for much cheaper. Even better get real meds that you believe in, and you get actual medicinal effect with a placebo boost.

Good Pharmaceutical trials are generally "blind" for this reason, ie there will be a control group getting a placebo to compare the effect of the medicine to that, rather than to nothing as comparing to nothing would make most things appear effective. Even better is "double blind" where the researcher doesn't know until after either, so that their interactions or behaviour don't give anything away, and that they don't bias their analysis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Weird question. Do you know what would happen if you gave two groups a painkiller, told one group that it should help and told the other that it shouldn't work (or that it was a placebo)? I'm curious if the drug would still work as well if the patient was told it isn't supposed to.

I'd google it, but I have no idea what keywords to use lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, look up the nocebo effect. It's exactly that.

It's not so common being an issue like the example describes irl for medication as generally people who don't think something will work simply don't take it, so it becomes more a compliance issue, but certainly is a concern for eg physical treatments - patients are more likely to report pain during a procedure if they go into it expecting it to be painful. Also mentioning side effects of medication makes patients more likely to experience them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

That's super interesting, thank you!