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You made the claim. The burden on proof is on you to judge the actions of others.
Then remind people that they might still be a danger if you think so. You don't even have to be fully opposed to loli to do this. Some people also legit just aren't dangers, too.
Where does this reasoning end? Such a slippery slope fallacy. Does someone watching a bloody movie not have the ability to think "well, this is okay because it's not real" (if you don't like that analogy please specifically explain what's wrong with it.) How stupid do you think people are? In no other case so we judge people based on what they might start to believe instead of just educating them.
Pedos are capable of using loli without moving on to csam, these people are likely to be even more capable of doing so.
Plenty of ethical science can be conducted on fictional stuff. Edit: also this sort of thing usually happens in terms of looking at criminal records/studies of people that already offended. Again, you don't even have this evidence on hand.
When does that reasoning end? What doesn't have some possibility of harming children? You're drawing conclusions without reasoning and then calling it an abundance of caution. This doesn't mean nothing to some people, there are plenty of people who use this stuff as their only safe outlet, meanwhile 0 evidence for it's harm.
Edit: Even just any source even about porn in general or something would be greatly appreciated. I understand there's a black hole of science here but you need something beyond assumptions that we can actually talk about.
I'm only aware of one study which is somewhat relevant: there was limited access to porn in Czechoslovakia during the communist era. After the revolution when porn became readily available, the number of reported cases of child sex abuse lowered and rapes stayed about the same, while violent crime in general shot up (as is to be expected when a country stops being a police state, crime goes up).
The study is here:
https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2010-czech-porn-abstract.html
I used to be firmly in the "no good evidence one way or another" camp like you seem to be for long, this makes me lean towards "drawings could probably help", though of course more research is needed.
Holding onto this, thanks.