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Often we say infinite growth (capitalism) is not sustainable and reasonable. Can we also say infinite progressivism is also not sustainable and reasonable? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This question is social/political, and meant to trigger a nice debate on the negatives of imbalanced infinite progressivism we seem to be heading in social and technological spheres, ignoring science, practicality and reason.

Let me put up a disclaimer that I am not trying to poke transgender community here. I am trying to hint towards the "traditional" gender roles that seem to be frowned upon in a cultist manner, even though it is accepted in an unspoken manner that most of us do prefer a lot of "traditional" aspects once we surpass 30s, and life demands responsibility, accountability and maturity.

8values made me think of the fundamental parameters that we gauge ourselves and others on, and this seems like it would have opinions coming from leftists that frown upon traditional values in an almost religious manner, as well as centrists and conservatives that might not have as traditional views as leftists think. Just an open discussion.

We can replace "progressivism" with "liberty" and "nationalism" and create couple more questions, but those are not as debatable I think.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're opposite. One is about everyone trying to get larger pieces of pie. The pie is only so big though, so it means people miss out, and it only ends when one person has the entire pie to themselves.

"Progressivism" is about ensuring everyone gets as close to the same amount of pie as possible. Once everyone has equal access to the pie, there's nothing more be done.

It should be pretty clear why one is more sustainable than the other

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is equal portion of the pie not an economic prospect, rather than a societal one? Is progressivism not about social change using rational consensus?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The pie is everything. Economic equality, social equality, it's all in scope

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Progressivism is a process for the outcome, whereas economic equality is the ultimate outcome as far as resource (and role) distribution goes. I could be wrong but to me it looks like that, since its all about the class war, and to end class war, capital distribution seems to become the defining target for all things.

I was trying to look at it from a different lens, one where progressive people tend to irrationally see anything "traditional" as bad. How do we define it? It is a thought poking my head for a while, and is what makes me try and pursue my own path on the leftist spectrum, distancing myself even from capitalists disguised as socdems.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Alternative perspective: many "traditional" things are in fact bad. Not everything, but many things, and we should dump those things.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Many are bad, but many are good too. It is all about objectively looking at things, and considering if they are dissociated from the "traditions" we consider bad. This post was made to encourage that.