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Why would socialism do this? (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't think anyone points at Nazi Germany as an example of a leftist system. They were literally fascist lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's always as a "See!! Socialism bad!!" but yep they were literally fascist, Rushia too and yet here we are with people still thinking communist Rushia was communist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Jewish holocaust scholars don't like it when you call the USSR fascist

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That sucks. USSR by definition was a fascist regime so I don't really care what they want

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay have fun with the holocaust trivialization I guess.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Saying that Facists are Facists is trivializing the holocaust? How's that work? The fact Nazis were Facists doesn't trivialize the fact that other groups are also Facists. Facists like to kill people that's kind of their whole ideology. Fascist ideology leads directly to the kind of ideas the Nazis had.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Facists [sic] like to kill people that’s kind of their whole ideology.

That… wasn’t the point of Fascism. Frankly, I’d be surprised if you could name the countries or regions where the Italian Fascists committed their massacres.

The point of Fascism was to forcibly save capitalism from the concessions that the lower classes won. I recommend listening to this: https://lemmy.today/post/315713

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Both Crowder and Shapiro have claimed this. They point out that the Nazi party was the 'National Socialist German workers' party' and claim that's enough for it to be socialist, and then also claim Russia is a communist country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's a Hitler quote somewhere, in some letter that was like "we laugh at the fools who think our ideology has anything to do with the socialism of the bolsheviks"

There was another one where he says "I didn't want to kill the Jews, but they're all communists"

Someone with a better ability to keep track of sources than me probably knows where to find them

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You may be referring to a line from Mein Kampf, volume 2, chapter 4.

The fact that we had chosen red as the colour for our posters sufficed to attract them to our meetings. The ordinary bourgeoisie were very shocked to see that, we had also chosen the symbolic red of Bolshevism and they regarded this as something ambiguously significant. The suspicion was whispered in German Nationalist circles that we also were merely another variety of Marxism, perhaps even Marxists suitably disguised, or better still, Socialists. The actual difference between Socialism and Marxism still remains a mystery to these people up to this day.

The charge of Marxism was conclusively proved when it was discovered that at our meetings we deliberately substituted the words ‘Fellow-countrymen and Women’ for ‘Ladies and Gentlemen’ and addressed each other as ‘Party Comrade’. We used to roar with laughter at these silly faint‐hearted bourgeoisie and their efforts to puzzle out our origin, our intentions and our aims.


And the other paraphrase sounds like a reply to Planck: Planck began his intercession on behalf of Haber, even going so far as to say that without the latter’s chemical process for obtaining ammonia from the nitrogen of the air “the previous war would have been lost from the beginning.” To this remark Hitler retorted: “I have nothing at all against the Jews themselves. But the Jews are all Communists, and these are my enemies — it is against these that I am fighting.”