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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

reminder: the greatest things you can do to help the environment: Go Vegan; Don't have kids; if you can, walk/catch public transport/cycle.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say that stop voting a**holes is even better (and the best thing is, you can do both!)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

But if I don't vote for this climate genocidal asshole, an even worse climate genocidal asshole might win!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Veganism is a moral philosophy regarding the treatment of animals. I feel it is disingenuous to present veganism as a solution to climate change. What if we discover a way of torturing animals that tends to restore the environment? Then you're fucked. Call it a plant-based diet, not veganism.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what if all the current vegans started eating CEO's and politicians instead? Would that not help more?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

there'd be an endless supply of food, that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok so I have a question about one thing in your list.

If you don't have kids then you would not have people to continue your virtue and belief on the next generation. While the people who are denying climate change have all the kids they can spit out of their body. And guess what, children are the ones who have a higher percentage of continuing their parents beliefs.

So in a few generation their side will outnumber your side.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You can still do that by adopting kids someone else made. No sense adding to the population when some kids already don't have parents.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yup. there are HEAPS of loving kids needing homes. There's no need to add to an overpopulation already when there are so many kids needing homes already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What overpopulation are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You make a good point but then again, the numbers game would still be tilted in favor of those who multiply the most.

Why not have 1 child and adopt another, preferably of the same age so that both children won't be lonely and have someone to depend on as family when the parents are gone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

there's nothing that says you can only adopt one kid :)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Climate change really has to be solved in this generation. You're thinking too long term, we don't have that kind of time.

Additionally, not all children of climate sociopaths become sociopaths. The planet increasingly makes a convincing argument even for those who weren't taught to hear. That's why the old propagandists have to ramp up their effort

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Buddy thinks he can fuck his way out out of a human-induced climate crisis. You don't suppose that maybe your biological drives are warping your reasoning, eh, buddy?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would like to add using e-skateboards, e-bikes, OneWheels, to the tail end of your suggestions. I'm 31, no kids, I've never owned a car and I use my onewheel for grocery runs, to pick up my prescriptions, etc.

Edit: I feel compelled to say "I'm doing my part" like Starship Troopers, lmao

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Thank you for doing this, but unless we have systemic change, this is just feel-good shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I agree that the world does not need "you" to reduce your footprint to zero. But people do have collective power. If everyone reduced their footprint a bit, that would make a dent.

Even better is if everyone realized that the big polluting beasts are fed by us. Everyone withholding just a little money from these corporations makes the graph of their profit go from pointing up to pointing down. And they sit up and take notice at that, even if they are still making billions annually. They are literally a house of cards and we are the bottom layer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, any reduction is good, including social encouragement for others to join you in things like going car-free. Plus, outside of the environmental effects, cars are horrifically unsafe things when used en masse, and every one we take off the road makes our neighbors safer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

When you subtract 1 from 1,000,000, you wouldn't be wrong in saying there is a reduction, but is it significant enough? Or is it just febreezing a giant pile of shit?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“I don’t want to change, everyone else should change”.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep that's not what I'm saying but alright.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh, I know. It's not like I intentionally did any of it. I just like OneWheels and never saw the point in owning a 4 wheeled death trap that costs money monthly(insurance), and could easily get my black ass sent to jail or shot. Especially while I was deep in my binge drinking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Systemic change is going to force the same lifestyle changes anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right? It's like people want to be forced at gunpoint to do the things they know they SHOULD be doing now. What the fuck??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Who says I'm doing nothing? Im just saying you don't understand human behavior if you think that "we just need to change" is the answer. People are lazy and need incentive to do shit. So systemic implementations are always going to be more effective.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Don't have kids

I maybe wouldn't go that far, I would rather have a kid and teach them how to make this fucked world better.

I'm single anyway, tho, so little do I know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Go truly vegan: go fuck yourself and eat shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Go truly vegan: go fuck yourself and eat shit.