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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Legacy media and status quo people always use that excuse.

They are the choosen people that know the real truth only, so lets censor any opposition that goes against our narrative.

This is not just used against Trump, they use it for much more.

No surprise the working class people do not trust legacy media and their ilk.

Independent media is the way to go, not saying to stop seeing legacy media, but question and be criticial of the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Ok comrade, time for bed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, another iteration of "both sides are the same" idiocy.

What a shocker.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I prefer:

"Two cheeks of the same backside" - George Galloway

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Except it was the GOP that did their rendition of the Beer Hall Putsch last time they lost...so fuck right off with that shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not sure what that means, but thanks for explaining something that may help benefit those that may realign their views on said topic!

I will do my own research into Beer Hall Putsch!

Thanks agian, learn something new everyday, hahaha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

This comment is quite informative. The “both sides” people are REALLY not aware of history. Hopefully they educate themselves to the point where they advocate against the literal wannabe dictator who actively undermines democracy. (To be clear Trump is the literal wannabe dictator who actively undermines democracy)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Why is this getting downvoted? Guy was appreciative of being given new info and is open to changing his views. Not everyone knows everything. This post is the definition of good faith.

Shame, lemmings. Shame.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They are the choosen people

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Hahaha, nice meme!

Not sure what the other stuff is about though...

Happy pride month!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You make it sound like there is no way to verify stuff he says. Like he was just in an interview saying he never said "Lock her up!" - that other people chanted it but he never said it. There are lots of videos of him saying it, so it's a verifiable lie. Of course the media should be able to call him on it.

Just because it doesn't fit your narrative, doesn't mean it's wrong.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are correct about the two duopoly apologetics.

I should have made it more obvious I was talking about White Knight Syndrome, where 'I'm not going to let you continue' is used instead of pushing back with more information.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't seem to have grasped the nuance of the conversation though.

Pushing back with more information is only a viable strategy when all parties are participating in good faith.

When the guest demonstrates a clear intent to spread obvious misinformation to further their own interests, discontinuing the conversation is the only recourse.

To say the same thing another way, the host did rebut the guest, but the guest carried on without responding to the rebuttal, intent on using the show as a platform to spread misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You may be right.

I know I can be wrong and I try to learn from mistakes or bad habits.

Yes, communication can be hard and I and others may react with emotion or just to reply quickly...

I know I do that, as well as other humans.

When the guest demonstrates a clear intent to spread obvious misinformation to further their own interests, discontinuing the conversation is the only recourse.

I do not agree with that point, but who knows how I would react. It is legacy media so sounds bites and time limitations might be the real cause for no pushback.

To say the same thing another way, the host did rebut the guest, but the guest carried on without responding to the rebuttal, intent on using the show as a platform to spread misinformation.

You are most likely correct, but I have little to no reason to be an apologetic to the duopoly,legacy media, or the owner class.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

You are most likely correct, but I have little to no reason to be an apologetic to the duopoly,legacy media, or the owner class.

"I didn't watch the interview but I am certain that it was conducted improperly.
Let me try to shame you all for an interview I didn't watch but I know it was wrong because I heard it's negative towards someone Donald Trump adjacent."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This person isn't from the USA...seeing legacy media? No one talks like thos in the US.

Russian or Chinese bot I bet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Elon Musk says it a lot. Same conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope, it looks like a killer whale to me...

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

I disagree, but feel free to continue to think in that manner.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, but I am not that fast or learn that quickly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't a compliment. Was just an observation that your writing is overly wordy and self important.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

All is good, have a great day!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Edit: is -> ~~is~~

Oh, you have a reCAPTCHA that can check if people are 'American' or not?

I implore you to really take a hard look at the way you think and come up with your talking points, because I do try to make it a point to do this when people call me out.

Russian or Chinese bot I bet

Sadly, you seem to just be another person that uses this excuse so that you don't have to question your way of view or the way the working class ~~is~~ sees the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So… media has to simultaneously report the truth AND let liars lie?

Good grief!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

That was not my point or intention.

Civil discourse is good, censorship of any kind is not good.

Debates are even better, I shared one not too long ago... Here ya go if interested: https://lemmy.world/post/16132440

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This many downvotes on Lemmy is almost impressive

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Thanks!

I couldn't have done it alone, it was only possible with the help of many!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I see a lot of your posts on my feed sometimes and you seem pretty left, what the heck is this about? You sound like a qultist here, what's going on?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

A bit of push back against the "I'm not going to let you continue" type of people, where they use it as a legit excuse instead of backing up their disagreement.

I get reminded of White Knight Syndrome for those that use it.

They are both apologetics for the duopoly in this segment at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Where do you get your information from?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I read and watch legacy media, and I make sure to check independent journalists as well.

I try to force myself to see what I am against and try to learn and understand why people hold that world view.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok. I assume legacy media is like Fox News sort of outlets?

How do you make sure to check independent journalists? From what source(s)?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Legacy media is corporate media, but more precisely and to the best of my recalling knowledge, it points to news corporations that started in television and those that had printed newspapers.

This is just a way to showcase how they have lost the trust of the working class and that most get thier news from social media sites and/or independent sources.

I may be wrong, but that is a way I would describe it to people that have not heard of legacy media.


Edit: forgot you had another questoion

How do you make sure to check independent journalists? From what source(s)?

Many independent journalists at one time were a part of legacy media.

They are not only on social media and their stuff is shared and talked about by commentators, including political commentators and activists, they also have their own sites and communities online.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which commentators? Which sites and communities?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Edit: tried to improve wording, a bit

I see RT once in a while, mostly on twitter.

Some great people came from there, with even some journalist that have won journalist awards, mind you!

I would wager you to find out which ones, hahaha

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Probably something with a .ru TLD

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Nice!

Great come back...

You have proven my point that anyone that does not think or agree in the way you want them to, are labeled the boogeyman (Russia/China per se), so as a defense mechanism so you do not have to question your way of thinking or your view points.

At least, that is one of many guesses of why people bring that up whenever they are just smearing and trying to just 'dirting the waters', as peeps say.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if I follow you right you're saying use Independent Media because they'll allow people to just blatantly lie? Is that your argument? Cuz it's not a very strong one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I like to follow “media” outlets that parrot whateverTrump says. It makes me feel better about the lies I tell myself.