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Nah, just fuck theocracies.
Fuck hijabs and Islam.
Fuck christofascists and tradwives.
Fuck hindu nationalists and caste systems.
Fuck any and every religion that insists they need to impose their ways on others to be in good favor with their God. Fuck them in any and every form.
Women can choose to wear a hijab, just like women can choose to be a stay at home parent, out of their free will. But pressuring them one way or the other is cringe.
Choosing to wear a hijab is totally cool, as long as it's not because of a religion.
Religion uses coercion and indoctrination to control people.
It doesn't matter if it's state sanctioned or not: the social contract imposed by religion is violence. It doesn't matter if it's the government threatening jail time or your friends threatening social isolation. It's coercive.
And you can't distinguish between those who do it willingly and those who are forced: so a civil society can permit neither.
Hijab is supposed to be voluntary under Islamic scripture. Islam does not include anything about having to impose anything on others. Attempting to downvote you results in a server error.
And Christians are supposed to give up all early possessions, renounce sex and serve God all their days.
What's your point? Theory means fuck all.
Religions are coercive social structures. You cannot distinguish those doing it willingly from those corrected into "proper behavior". As such a civil society can permit neither.
Re: downvotes - no idea why it's not working, but your anger is obvious enough without it
Christians are not obligated to give up sex or “all early possessions”. At most they’re just obligated to give up personal trinkets during lent and fund the church. My point is that there is no coercion within Islam to wear a hijab, kinda like how there is no coercion within Christianity to be a virgin.
People who want to oppress women will do it regardless of means. Islam is just an excuse. There are many atheists who use their moral code instead.
To distinguish them, just get their confidence and ask them in a safe environment.
Matthew 6:19-34 and Luke 18:22-25
Pretty unequivocal: give up everything and serve God.
The fuck there isn't. Coercion in Christian sects is rampant. Your parents finding out you're not a virgin will have you disowned in plenty of Christian households.
And people who want to murder will do it regardless of means. That doesn't allow us to throw up our hands and let murder cults exist. Instead we extirpate them, outlaw them, stamp them out both legally and culturally.
Pragmatically speaking this is, unfortunately, the best we can hope for. I'm not talking about pragmatics here though: I'm talking about fundamentals. Theory. What is a truly polite society?
It's not one where religious coercion is allowed to fester.
Can anybody with more knowledge about this explain this? I don't know much about islam but i thought husbands and/or fathers would force women to wear them?
It's a complex issue, but think of it like backwards fundamentalist Christians going ballistic over women (especially their daughters) wearing anything more revealing than a sweater. That kind of familial coercion is couched in religious terms and springs from religious values, but is not, strictly speaking, fundamental (ha) to the religion itself.
The root of tune thing is that Islamic teachings require practitioners to dress modestly.
Interpretations of this range from "cover your sex bits" to "don't show an inch of skin to anybody except your husband".
Indeed