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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Sure it's his money but does anyone else feel legitimately frustrated at all the good that this money could have done?

Rich dudes have always had vanity projects, but there is no grand concert hall or library or university to come out of this. Just a ruined company with millions of wasted hours of effort. For nothing.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The horrific opportunity cost inherent to having a billionaire class.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Guillotine noises intensify

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely prefer the vanity projects of the past. Libraries, city halls etc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. X makes various things named "Rockafeller" seem downright "not a dumpster fire" in contrast.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The nice thing about our economic system is that value is rarely completely destroyed, the money he paid for Twitter didn't cease to exist, it went to former Twitter shareholders.

They may be using it in more productive ways than he ever would.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

They may be using it in more productive ways than he ever would.

They use it to reinvest and hoard. Because that's what the investor class does, which is why they're useless.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to add a little explanation to those who don't get it: the man-hours spent by people working for then Twitter now X as well as resources used, uktimatelly for producing no wealth, could've instead been spent for something that did produce wealth.

Same amount of input money either way, but one produces wealth (in the economic sense of the word rather than merelly monetary) and the other just wastes manpower and resources.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There has been value generated by Twitter that will outlive it though.

They established and refined an interface that other ventures like blue sky and mastodon are utilizing, and they delivered open source frameworks like Bootstrap will long outlive Twitter, and have brought value to the broader web development ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was just explaning the concept of a "broke window falacy" (funilly enough without using the actual example that gave the name to it) and how work merelly being done is not a gain and can actually be a loss because of the opportunity cost (i.e. the people and the resources could otherwise have been used elsewhere and actually produce something of worth).

Also I was just thinking about the Musk-era Twitter rather than the entire Twitter timeline.

As you correctly point out, Bootstrap is something of worth (I would be more hesitant on the "interface" side, as I worked in web interfaces back when they started and that stuff is just derivative and not especially great).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Consider whether Twitter was stifling some other growth. If you buy and burn down an advertising billboard, letting light into a market garden--perhaps that is beneficial.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

millions of wasted hours of effort. For nothing.

aah, Social Media in a nutshell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You make a great point. Let's spend hours and hours discussing it to death here. ;)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The money isn't gone, it's just changed hands

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Money ain't got no owners. Only spenders.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It doesn't work that way. Almost all of the money in the world is debt owed to someone else. Very few things are bought with cash. It is really credit on credit on credit on credit. And all of that depends on trust. My company gets product from your company today with the promise to pay in a month, your company does the same...

When events like the Twitter buyout and burn happen it weakens trust. Which weakens credit. Which means the virtual money is gone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Could have just bought land in Kentucky and sat on it. Made a nature preserve. Give the beavers and deer a place to chill for a century or more. Pretty lazy way to do charity but it still would have been better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hyperloop, boring tunnels, sending cars to space, etc

Stop me when you've heard enough to believe this guy has obvious disdain for all of us.