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As Smartphone Industry Sputters, the iPhone Expands Its Dominance::Apple, which is set to release a new iPhone on Tuesday, has increased its share of smartphone sales by converting Android customers and adding teenagers.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm just opposed to their brand ethos. They always complicate things in the name of simplicity.

apple mice have 1 button to click, and that this decision was made (in the 80s) because they thought 2 button mice would confuse the average user.

... and now apple users command + click all the time, like that isn't more complicated.

That's not why I hate apple, but it is why I hate apple. They perpetually put the cart before the horse.

"We stopped including a charger in the box to help the environment"

Actually this means more boxes are being created in total and this is worse for the environment. 🤦‍♂️

Edit: God you apple stans are annoy af

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Apple Mice have had right click for 14 years, and their trackpads have used two finger click in its place far longer than that. And before that, any two button mouse worked just fine in OS X from 2001 on (earlier if you ran the beta of OS X). So your information is anywhere from two decades to one and a half decades out of date. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"We stopped including a charger in the box to help the environment"

Actually this means more boxes are being created in total and this is worse for the environment.

How so? That thought only works if you think they still manufacture the same amount of chargers and package them. Which would be pretty dumb given that they aren’t guaranteed a sell. Also, who doesn’t have a bunch of different chargers already?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, are you forgetting they also changed the cable from standard usb to lightning to USB c to lightning after they stopped including the brick?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, because everything is transitioning to USB-C and that’s a good thing. They made that switch when they removed USB A ports from their Macs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They only made the jump to USB-C because they were forced to. They would have loved to stay on their proprietary hardware for as long as possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Rumor is they wanted to wait to go portless. In current state Qi chargers work on iPhones but they don’t charge as quickly as their proprietary MagSafe connector which I find ridiculous so I’m glad they had to add a standard port

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That doesn't invalidate my point at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I agree with you and the OP of this thread. I don't want to support a company with a walled garden approach and they over complicate things to be unique

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple devices have had right click for a while now. It’s a two finger press.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His point is that they were 2 decades late to the party.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wrong how? The Microsoft mouse was released in 1983 with 2 buttons. The first time Macs had a second mouse button was with OSX which was released in 2001.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Macs have always supported right mouse clicks. They’re just unnecessary in most cases. On top of that, no one Cmd+clicks because there aren’t anymore 1-button mice since the new mice are multitouch surfaces.

So, in other words, he’s wrong for multiple reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love when people are confidently wrong.

Mac's have not "always supported right mouse clicks." https://www.wired.com/2000/10/eek-a-two-button-mac-mouse/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I also love when people are confidently wrong. OS8 supported 2-button mice, along with OS9, and OSX. You’re confusing the fact that Apple’s mice didn’t have 2 buttons with whether or not any 2-button mice worked. I know because I owned one. On top of that, you can still, to this day, emulate OS8 and OS9 and use the “secondary” click.

So are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to gaslight me and tell me I didn’t use a two-button mouse more than 2 decades ago?

http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/why-apple-makes-a-one-buttoned-mouse-01280820/

“Apple supports multi-button mice. Right out of the box. Furthermore, this is not a ‘new feature’ of OS X. Support for contextual menus (the primary use for the two button mouse) have been around since OS 8.6, which is now more than seven years old. Let me repeat, Apple supports multi-button mice.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After a deep dive of research into ADB and reading about the extended mouse protocol, i relent that yes Apple did support multiple mouse buttons for a long time.

However, also seeing that Apple's own first party multi-button mouse that supported right clicking only came out in 2005... your point is just like saying that old cars with 8-track playes supports Spotify cause i have my phone auxed into a converter.

So, factually, you're correct. But his point still stands.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That analogy is terrible. You could plugin a 2 button mouse and clicking the 2nd button gave you contextual menus. You’re just being dishonest. There was no converter necessary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not being dishonest.

Apple never supplied you the mouse, it was hardware that you bought separately, just like the 8-track to Aux converter in my analogy. Apple only relented to providing you a mouse that supports 2 button clicks in 2005. That's something Microsoft has provided since day 1 which is why "they're late to the party". It also emphasizes how apple wants to limit it's user's experience despite their machine's capabilities.

I'm pretty sure that meets the requirements for the original point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are, though. You only said two things that I pointed out were both wrong.

First you said that Macs didn’t have right click until OSX in 2001. That’s wrong no matter which way you want to spin it. Macs as machines supported it before 2001. Apple didn’t include a mouse with a 2nd button until 2005 (and it wasn’t even a second button, it was a multi-touch mouse).

Then you just said that Microsoft provided something. Microsoft didn’t make computers back then. They never bundled any mice with any software so you’re wrong on that count too.

The argument was never about whether Apple supplied a mouse. You’re being dishonest and you won’t even fess up when called out. So… more dishonesty.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Speaking of annoying af. Look at you, you're the same. You're not anti-apple, you're just pro-anti.