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I am a little surprised that no one had created a site like this for child pornography.
I am not a legal expert, but my layman's understanding of Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition is that as long as there is no person being harmed by it CSAM is legal.
Maybe later rulings have changed this. One can hope.
Hentai maybe. But realistic shit is 100% illegal, even just making such an AI is illegal as you'd have to use real CSAM to train it.
CivitAI is a pretty perverted site at the best of times. But there's a disturbing amount of age adjustment plugins to make images of children on the same site they have plugins to make sex acts. It's clear some people definitely are.
Some models also prefer children for some reason and then you have to put mature/adult in positive prompt and child in negative
I think part of the problem is that there is a lot of anime in the models and when you don't filter that out with negative prompts it can distort the proportions of realistic images. In general models are always heavily biased towards what they were trained on, and when you use a prompt or LORA that worked well on one model on another, you can get weird results. There is always a lot of nudging involved with keywords and weights to get the images to were you want it.
There was an article the other day about underage girls in France having AI nudes spread around based on photos as young as 12. Definitely harm there.
I remember reading that this may be already happening to some extent, eg people sharing tips on creating it on the deep web, maybe through prompt engineer, fine tuning or pretraining.
I don’t know how those models are made, but I do wonder the ones that need retraining/finetuning by using real csam can be classified as breaking the law.
If a search engine cannot index it then it is the deep web. So yes, Discord chats are technically part of the deep web.
Look up "how to access the deep web" and if you find one website that says install discord, and that post wasnt made in the last hour, ill cashapp you $10
Yeah you could argue that you are correct, but most people dont use it that way.
For example, wikipedia's graphic for the deep web.
Wikipedia on the deep web
Try accessing a Discord channel through your browser without being logged in. They aren't indexed by search engines because you have to be logged in.
I don't care about some arbitrary challenge to get money from you. I'm trying to get you to think critically. If search engines like Google don't index it then it's part of the deep web. Just because things like Discord aren't what people typically mean when people talk about the deep web doesn't make Discord chats not part of the deep web.
I'm literally discussing with you. You mentioned Wikipedia first but refuse to accept the first sentence of the article on the topic you're talking about.
I literally said this.
Just because something indexes a chat room doesn't make it not part of the deep web. It's specifically about traditional search engines like Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, etc.
You do need an account to log in. Because of that web crawlers cannot index it. That's what makes it technically part of the deep web. Search engine web crawlers not being able to index it.
Well, to develop such a service, you need training data, i.e. lots of real child pornography in your possession.
Legality for your viewers will also differ massively around the world, so your target audience may not be very big.
And you probably need investors, which likely have less risky projects to invest into.
Well, and then there's also the factor of some humans just not wanting to work on disgusting, legal grey area stuff.
Unfortunately, no, you just need training data on children in general and training data with legal porn, and these tools can combine it.
It's already being done, which is disgusting but not surprising.
People have worried about this for a long time. I remember a subplot of a sci-fi series that got into this. (I think it was The Lost Fleet, 15 years ago).
You haven't been to 4chan lately because that's exactly what it's being used for
Surely we should know, right? Cartoons or hentai or whatever must have gone through this at some point?
Typically, the laws get amended so that anything that looks like CSAM is now CSAM. Expect porn generators tuned for minor characters to get outlawed very quickly.
I'm sure they're out there on the deep web.
You'd also have to convince them that it's not real. It'll probably end up creating laws tbh. Then there are weird things like Japan where lolis are legal, but uncensored genitals aren't, even drawn.