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Taken from this massive article from the tricontinental: https://thetricontinental.org/studies-on-contemporary-dilemmas-4-hyper-imperialism/

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

lmao including greece just for being a signatory to versailles and nothing else

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If we’re honest, Greece was probably the first country on that list to invent the African slave trade.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

greece did not exist until 1830

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Modern Greece after the Ottoman Revolution. Greece has existed for thousands of years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

no. greek people have existed, a greek state was a new creation specifically in the mould of 19th century european nationalism. the only thing they'd actually be guilty of on this chart is the internal genocide of minorities that is part-and-parcel to the national project.

in any case there's no political lineage and barely even a linguistic relationship from what i'm assuming your ancient events are, and the modern state. transcontinental african slave trade =/= someone being in a state of slavery on the african continent at any time in the past.

sorry to be a pedant but the "slavery was in africa before" is a popular mystification from racists trying to equivocate the modern european crimes.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Great summary. Though i would dispute the completeness of the "domestic genocides" category. Denmark pretty much instantly willingly submitted to Germany and actively collaborated in Nazi policies of extermination. As did Vichy France and significant portions of Belgium and the Netherlands, so much so that the Nazis formed entire SS divisions out of them. And of course Austria cannot claim to be innocent as the Anschluss had significant support among Austrians, as did the repression and extermination policies that followed.

Much more of Europe has blood on their hands for the crimes of fascism than just Germany. Like the war of extermination against the Soviet Union, fascism was a pan-European project, not an exclusively German (or Italian) one.

And Japan should be counted in that category of domestic genociders as well for their genocide of the Ainu people of Hokkaido. And they are still colonizing Okinawa.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From the top of my head, Spain did domestic genocide agains Jews and muslims in the timeframe and Japan genocided Ainu.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Portugal also against Jews.

Also a lot of the purges of various christian sects should probably count ( France killing all it's protestants for example )

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The “Divide Africa” category is bit disingenuous. Essentially the only parties that participated were the British, Germans, French, Spanish, and Portuguese,

Austria-Hungary, Russia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Sweden/Norway, the Ottoman Empire, and the United States all send dignitaries, but it was essentially just for observer status, since none of those countries established any African holdings, or made territorial claims at the conference.

However, those countries still participated under the banner of their respective colonial empires, with the US for example sitting under the title “American colonial empire”. And were complicit in what happened.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I spent quite a bit of time a few days ago reading the tricontinental report and was quite impressed by the half i got through