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[–] [email protected] 119 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Honestly I will never forgive people who STILL continue to deny climate change is happening and refuse to legilslate on it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

At this point Don't Look Up is a documentary. I honestly cannot imagine what it's like to he a climate scientist who actively studies this, only to have some fox news watching crazy uncle parroting cherry-picked data, thinking they somehow know better than global scientific consensus. I imagine some at this point may be going, "fuck it. Let it burn." And honestly, I can't blame them.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (20 children)

This is fine, we just need to switch from plastic bugs and make caps attached to bottles and everything will be alright! Together we can fight at least 1% of the carbon emissions from top 100 corporations in the world :)

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I really think this narrative is counterproductive. It's not like corporations produce greenhouse gasses because they think it's fun. They're doing it to produce goods that people want at the absolute minimal price possible.

No corporation is going to choose more environmentally friendly practices out of the goodness of their own hearts unless those practices are cheaper. And given that that is very rarely the case, we have to look at things like carbon taxes to actually price in the externalities of climate damage. But that is going to increase the prices of some goods, and that requires a level of political will that has proven very difficult to come by. "Just make corporations pay" to fix things, whether that's a carbon tax or taxes on oil company executive pay or dividends or whatever else the proposal may be is always going to mean "increase prices to compensate for climate-related externalities".

That doesn't necessarily mean that all costs of addressing climate change must directly fall on consumers; government subsidies to reduce the costs of environmentally sustainable practices can also be extremely beneficial. But ultimately, this is a problem that we've all created, and we're all going to have to be part of solving it. Blaming corporations, even if partially accurate, doesn't actually get us any closer to solving things.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes and No. Yes, it’s not only corporations and we must act ourselves.

No, it’s the rules that set the game. Corporations play within the rules. Politics is owning and can change the rules. The society and corporations will follow accordingly. If we really want to change we can. Look what happened during Covid. In retrospect, some insane rules (eg Germany kids not allowed to enter playgrounds. Kids couldn’t play to save the elderly). However, society obeyed to those rules.

It’s not us, it’s the rules that must change. In my view this should be the priority.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The EU needs to wake up and go hard on companies and industries. No mercy, no half-assing, just legislate the absolute shit out of them for once so that maybe our children can survive and live in not so terrible conditions, because not so terrible is the best we can hope for at this point.

The rest of the world too obviously, but the EU seems the most likely to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My dipshit family in the UK are all right wingers (with the exception of a few member) and completely deny climate change. I sent them this article as well as the article about the water in Florida getting up to 100F…”Don't be daft. We’re in a warming phase.” Ya….whatever THAT means you fucking chodes.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was having a conversationg with some red necks a few years ago. They were all talking about winter's not the same here anymore, above freezing half the winter, not as much snow, summer is weird is goes right through October now and we don't really get an autumn anymore.

"Weather's not like it used to be," one of thems said, and I said, "yep the climate is changing." They stared at me with their mouths open.

These retards are literally watching it happen with their own eyes and they still won't believe it. It's insane.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it’s “politicized.” I get so frustrated with this idiots that I give myself headaches from clinching my teeth.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

”Don’t be daft. We’re in a warming phase.”

Yeah, here's what you tell them. Temperatures were at baseline when the industrial revolution began. That's just a handful of generations. We've now seen an increase of, what 2 degrees C since then? I don't know the exact number. The point is, this sort of increase is not present anywhere else in the geological record. It takes thousands of years for average global temperatures to naturally increase to a point like this one. There are literally no hard spikes--until the industrial revolution began. The only credible takeaway is that humans are the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

New normal, folks. So begins the era of climate migration.

A reminder that this is why we should never tolerate selfishness. We're now largely screwed because we, as a species, valued our individual comfort over expert research.

We knew what we needed to do - but no, profits. Such a dumb way to die.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

and people say global warming/climate change is not real

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (12 children)

It's not simply a climate change. It's a coined term by the fossil fuel industry. Like BP introduced the individual carbon footprint, this one should also be ignored. It's a climate crisis.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Oh they are switching from "Its not real" to "its all over, we can't do anything, so invest in fossils even more" (the invest part is an exaggeration). I want to believe that most of those messages are from paid actors (oil industry, authoritarian regimes).

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm Italian myself. The issue with this heat is that it's humid too, I live in the riviera and we've had constant 35-37°C weather with high humidity for a week now

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If only somebody warned us 50 or 100 years ago. Oh wait, they did.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

More like over 200 years ago. There was a french female scientist that discovered the greenhouse effect before John Tyndall but I forgot her name and I'm at work rn, can't search for it.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (36 children)

Let's be honest, this will end up with only the ultra-rich surviving in the last few strips of livable surface of the planet - and them elated to have finally "culled the undeserving" as they have been hoping for for millennia.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Look at previous violent revolutions and see who died and who lived. I wouldn't bet on the ultra-rich, there are simple more of the rest but a new elite will rule, just like the old one.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Then the ultra rich will perish because they don't know how to survive cause they don't have the "plebs" to do any of the underling work.

"What do I do when my motor makes this sound?!"

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's why the concept of artificial intelligence is so appealing to them - having a compilation of all human knowledge, without actually having to deal with humans claiming "nonsense" like human rights and a livable wage.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Everything is fine, the earth simply won't be habitable for humans. The Earth will spin on without us when we inevitably allow industry to destroy humanity by making earth uninhabitable by human life.

It's what we deserve for being so stupid as to see this happening and doing nothing about it to stop it or slow it down. There's plenty of climate change advocates which are almost always drowned out by the chorus of companies and climate deniers who believe propaganda over science.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not all of humanity deserves to die for the actions of a few corrupt men.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Where I stay these temperatures can be quite normal in summer. I'm now just worried that a hot summer's day here will now go from 45 to 55. I've felt 50 before. It's not fun. But besides that, I think of the implications for the agricultural sector. Good luck my European friends. I'll report back in our summer.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think climate change is happening far sooner than scientists could have predicted. We focus on increased global average temperatures but I think that we are going to have insanely hot summers sooner. We're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't need to guess. It was less than 3 months ago where scientists (on nearly every news/publication outlet that wasn't denying climate change) said we are going to blow by the 1.5C estimate we used as a threshold in our models.

Climate change is already happening exponentially now.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (19 children)

We fucked around, now we're going to start finding out.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I didn't even get to fuck around before finding out.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Captain Planet tried to tell us

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

It's 48°C, not 40. The title is incorrect.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"... It's not normal"

It wasn't normal.

Nowadays it is.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In North Carolina, we had a "winter that wasn't" and now we have a summer of "surface of the sun" heat. Triple digit heat index every day last week. Good luck getting the locals to admit that climate change is real though. At this point I think some of them are actually starting to see the truth, but it just pisses them off and they dig in to denial even harder, because if there's one thing they can't do it's admit they were wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

‘It’s not normal’

It is now.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Simple way to convert Celsius to Fahrenheit in your head:

  1. Take the Celsius value and double it

40 * 2 = 80

  1. Subtract 10%

80 - 8 = 72

  1. Add 32

72 + 32 = 104

40 C = 104 F

This is still hot but a far cry from 118F

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

That was a typo by OP. The temp in Italy is 48C/118F

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