A lot of computer people are also fucking weirdo outcasts who have zero interest in helping the FBI put the boot on people's necks.
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I dunno, Microsoft still seems to have no problem finding people to implement spyware and tracking on their base OS not to mention DRM. I think the only real barrier for governmental job offerrings is no one except the really passionate would bother going through the clearance conditions. Which is fair I suppose.
Yeah, not being allowed to smoke pot on one's free time despite being in legal state would be a huge deterence.
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Also no one wants to be associated with feds.
I mean it’s a good paying job to have lol.
So are most other programming jobs, but those other jobs will have way better working environments, perks, benefits, coworkers, managers, and schedules.
Not compared to the tech industry
Not worth it. Not at the expense of others. If the government wasn’t actually helpful, then MAYBE.
While I think you're right, this is your opinion, not everybody elses
Lemmy is hilarious with this silly and clearly extreme takes. Upvotes for no one wants to be associated with the feds, downvotes for ehh maybe not everyone agrees with that. The fbi has thousands of fucking employees, and even more applicants who don’t get chosen. The overall “feds”, the federal government, has millions — clearly people want to work for them.
I think a lot of it is either folks on the edges of society (their opinions) or very young idealistic folks.
If I've generalized someone into one of those 2 buckets wrongly, well, it's cause half of Lemmy acts like it.
Mind, it's not that it's wrong to have a non-mainstream opinion, or to be young, only that it generates a particular flavor of discourse lol
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I'm betting that's the real reason.
I once received an email from the NSA inviting me to apply for a programming position. Although I was intrigued for a minute or so, I soon decided I don't want to help them spy on American citizens and deleted the email.
In case you haven't noticed, American citizens are the biggest threat to America's security.
I interviewed with Google in 2006...
Feels like a similar thing ...
It definitely is now. I guess it was then too, but maybe not to the same degree. Google still seemed to be bringing a lot of improvements to the world, and was still using the Don't Be Evil motto. The public perception of Google back then was outstanding. I'm not sure how much of that was just because we weren't fully aware of the depth of their tracking and intrusion.
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"You know, I could've joined the NSA... but they found out my parents were married."
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Don't work for the evil empire
Fuck you, won't do what you tell me.
Work for whoever pays you the big bucks, ditch em in two to three years and go work for someone else who will pay you more.
*an evil empire
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It's not just that, classified government work is a huge PITA to get cleared for in a lot of ways. It's like the worst, longest, and most privacy killing job interview you ever had, except the dudes doing the interview have the ability to send you to jail if they find anything they don't like (not that it happens for silly stuff like pot, but it does add to the stress)
And then when you final make it through, you get the priveledge of working twice as hard for half the pay that a skilled professional could make elsewhere.
The only time I'd consider government work is when I'm late enough in my career that the prospect of a pension is more appealing than a high immediate salary
3 years? Is that even verifiable?
Luckily they have very serious scientific tools called "lie detectors" to test the very scientific science between physiological indicators and whether what someone says is actually correct.
Nothin' beats a subjective interpretation of various physiological "indicators" being measured while someone's a little stressed out.
What they do is ask you for references. Then, they ask those people for other people that also know you.
They ask them about this kind of thing. So, if you’re going to apply you face a choice:
Would you ask your friends and acquaintances to lie to a federal investigator for you? Would your friends and acquaintances even do that for you?
They also may do the lie detector test.
Who wants to deal with that any way when the private tech sector pays way more and doesn’t subject applicants to this kind of bullshit.
Look how many jobs in the private sector also require a security clearance. Most things in aerospace, but also a lot of enterprise/cloud/telecom computing will have a "federal" arm, and they need cleared workers for that. Amazon, Google, AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft and many other big names have divisions that do classified work. They pay a premium over regular positions because the clearance is a PITA for everyone involved.
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They go and ask everyone you've ever known, it's a very intrusive hiring process. If you lie, they treat it like a crime.
Kind of. You'd be lying to the federal government under oath though, and you can go to jail for it.
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If your hair is at least like 36 cm long, maybe.
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I got the CJO from a three letter agency but didn't want to give up my bad habits so I strongly hinted at the reason why I can't work there so they'd read between the lines and add one to this statistic
The agency that disposed of me is generally only referred to by two letters. I was honest, they assured me it wasn't a problem, then 2 months later they told me that due to my disclosure I did t have "the highest moral character" and therefore couldn't work for them. Their loss, I'm a fucking good coder.
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I would never work for an organization that immediately took down a library genesis no questions asked, but isn't bothering to do anything about the Republican fascist caucus.
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Yeah, they're all freaking mormans which is way worse
This is such a true statement. Mormons (and other religious whack jobs) are tailor made to pass a clearance investigation whether or not they’re actual threats or have skeletons in the closet. They have church-issued friends from their local “wards” that vouch for them while barely knowing them that make all their investigations easy.
Mormons are also some of the biggest fucking liars I've ever met about their.actual conduct outside (and sometimes during) work
This an interesting self limiting approach.
Never interrupt your enemy making a mistake.
So why are we talking about it?
Love for the FBI has been all downhill since the X-Files.
It's funny because who wouldn't smoke pot doing hacking for a living? That stuff's hard.
Damn, now I know why I've always been shit at hacking.
So many industries had problems with the "war on drugs", way back in the day the Ritz Carlton had a drug policy....motherfuckers who do you think work in the shithole environment that consist of food service?
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