Using the term "normies" paints you as having a superiority complex, which isn't the best look.
this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2024
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I appreciate you calling out the use of the term "normie". Communities that frequently use such terms always end up with an unhealthy "us vs them" mentality.
Like I'm not surprised people don't react well to someone bringing up privacy issues if said person starts the conversation with the mentality of "how do I enlighten this normie?"
How do I reeeach theese Normies
"But why would they care about MY data, I don't do anything special"
Anyone outside of tech when I even passingly mention privacy
I don't have anything to hide. Do YOU have anything to hide??
Probably my most hated sentence in the privacy conversations
Do YOU have anything to hide??
“Yea my bank information, passwords, personal identity, identity of all my loved ones. But hey, if you hate having security and love being blackmailed and hate everyone who you have ever made contact in your life and wish to make their life hell then you do you and stay far the fuck away from me. We don’t know each other and we never will”
There was some segment somewhere about the fact that the NSA has all your nudes.
And then you always get that one girl saying: "Yeah whatever let them look at my nudies, I dont' care"...
What's the counter to that sentence then?
Every time I try to explain why this is a dumb sentence using the door lock analogy I always get rebuffed by it.
I say "yes, and you do too, that's why we have HIPPA. You think we should get rid of HIPPA?"
Ask them about their bank, all their passwords, the contact information of everyone they ever loved, ya know, in case you ever need to use that information against them or without their consent,
keep going till they are properly creeped out and as upset as they should be at anyone but them knowing that information.
First, when you get into these arguments, always start from the viewpoint that these people do not see any worth in their data. Their convenience is worth way more than any privacy breach. That's why your goal is usually to convince them that privacy breaches can be a huge innconvenience for them, use their selfishness to advocate for their self-interest.
Quick example, what defines something that needs to be hidden changes constantly with different governments and regulatory bodies. There's no telling if your current data won't be illegal or something in the future, causing you problems. That's why it's important to have protections for your data to begin with so a future government can't just unilaterally decide to trample all over your rights.
Basically, see what they care about and try advocating from that viewpoint, not your personal viewpoint. There's a good chance you'll have a line of argument.
I find that I have more success convincing people if I put their self-interest first and foremost instead of trying to explain some grand ideology. People want something tangible, not a hazy ideal. It's only when something affects them that they may change their views.
A lot of Siri requests are processed locally, to be fair. And iCloud has encryption now.
both backdoored
e2ee is almost meaningless on a closed source app or system... whats stopping them from sending a copy of your files unencrypted?
Well, it would most likely show up in the network traffic if they were doing that for starters. And no one doing security analysis on iOS has ever mentioned that AFAIK. And since Apple bases about 90% of their marketing on protecting your privacy, that would be very bad for them as a company.
I mean, what’s stopping someone poisoning a library on open source? That’s actually provably happened.
Which is not to ding open source, which I quite like too. Just saying you are running certain risks no matter what you choose and in a phone OS, if you just want it to work and not think about it, I personally feel like Apple is a decent risk still.
Apple bases about 90% of their marketing on protecting your privacy,
LOL "We have access to all your data and use it to target ads and any goddamn thing else we want to do, but we don't sell it to third parties, we just take the third party's wishes and shove them down customer throats ourselves! It's not much better, but it is better."
'There's no point fighting it' or 'Privacy is already dead'
The arguments that make my eye twitch, It's such a defeatist outlook but seems like the most common nowadays.
There is a 3rd argument which I think is a bit more valid in "I value the service I receive in exchange for my personal data"
Using the internet without an adblocker, noscript, and whatever else is really nasty. But even if you aren't on these platforms, marketers are still building profiles on you. Honestly we need data privacy legislation and some real talk about marketing and the costs of using the internet as a society.
It's funny, because people who defend DRM also use this argument. They are happy with the service, so they don't mind losing freedom. They can't understand that they could have both.
Pretty much agreed, except iCloud allows full E2E encryption if you enable Advanced Data Protection…
Siri is maybe a different story, alas. But at least you can disable the always listening feature if you want.