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This is one of the reasons why it's disappointing to hear progressives and center-left people talking about not voting for Biden over his response to Gaza. There are literally thousands of other issues where a second Trump term would disastrous. Plus, Trump would be disastrous to Gaza as well. Makes no sense.
It's worse than that. Even if by some miracle we make it out of a second round of Trump, the DNC isn't going to learn their lesson. They didn't learn it in the past when they lost, they aren't going to learn it now. They'll keep on doing the same thing they always do, maintain the status quo at the worst, and make limp progress at best.
The problem here is systemic to our election system. It's not going to be solved by pissing away votes through 3rd party and protest votes. The DNC won't give a single shit. The only way this gets solved is if we dismantle FPTP voting in this country, and push hard for election finance reform, and a ban on lobbying.
So in the end, it seems like a bunch of people are going to end up letting Trump slip into office, and it will be a disaster. Accelerationism only hurts people. It isn't going to result in a utopia.
We gotta vote in every election and vote hard left when possible. And it's gotta be millions of us.
Otherwise, we're getting more of this. But I'll keep doing my part.
Agreed. For what little it's worth, I'm doing my part.
This is one bold example of the differences that matter in this election.
One side tells you directly how they will fuck you over.
The other side lies about how they will fuck you over.
They are both the same and will fuck you over.
i'm almost 100% sure you both sides people are bad faith actors because nobody can be that stupid. gtfooh
Bad faith my ass.
The entire system is corrupt. I trust none of them and they fact that people vote the lesser of two evils kinda proves what I'm saying.
Brother you haven't said anything except "both sides are the same" which makes your intentions real clear.
"WAAH!! I can't have the perfect candidate so I won't participate and/or throw my vote away on a third party candidate, damning everyone in the process!!"
^that's you
You must support ranked choice voting then?
That would destabilize the two party system into more parties and more representation.
If not then I don't understand your motivation.
If not then I don't understand your motivation.
Some of them are true believers. Some are being edgy because they know it bothers people. Some are bad actors trying to convince others not to vote because not voting always benefits the Republicans.
You said that both parties are the same, but also that one is the lesser of two evils, which means that one is better than the other. So are they the same, or is there one party that's better than the other?
Both sides might be bad, but one side is neoliberal and the other side is fascist, give me the neoliberals until we can dismantle the systems that allow both to exist.
Yea... no. Trumps clearly fucking worse on the environment.
I never claimed one is better then the other. They all suck, the system sucks and bribes (aka lobbying) is to blame
Biden put rules in place to protect the environment. Trump will remove them. How is one not better than the other if the environment is important to you?
Trump's promise is literally to undo what Biden did, so it would logically follow that you're an idiot.
Biden's promise is that Trump won't accept election results, and the nation will be plunged into cataclysmic ecocidal fascism.
So why is he spending his time outlawing tiktok instead of truth social if the risk is truly so monumental? Why does Biden seem to care more about allowing trump to run than halting fascism? Why would the democrats rather lose than shift left?
The funniest part is watching liberals try to understand where this discontentment on the actual left is coming from: is it russian bots? Is it maga trolls? Is it Chinese agents? As opposed to the revelation that maybe some people are further left and more apathetic than run-of-the-mill American liberal democrats. Anger at Joe Biden is anything but inorganic.
Marxists weren't warning about the inevitable alignment between fascists and liberals for 200 years for nothing, you know. There's history behind that argument.
Take a step back and understand you are now arguing in favor of perpetuating your ecocidal, genocidal, and imperialist political project at the expense of 32,000 palestinian lives. You are the bad guy. I suspect that 30 years from now when the choice is between democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, you'll still be screeching about how important it is to vote for 99% Hitler since political analysis for liberals stops at the revelation that 99<100.
Everyone is dumber for having read this.
Do you know what we get to see of this "actual left" around here?
Not organizers trying to set up a demonstration in Washington. Not people linking to websites explaining how to mail your governor or the white house with suggested text passages. Not activists recruiting stunt performers to make some artistic display that will get reported in the press. Not people trying to aid the resistance within Israel itself.
All we see is people trying to dissuade the non-fascists from voting.
Fascist Russia's genocidal war on Ukraine is completely masked out. In online spaces held by Marxist-Leninists, aka tankies, fascist Russia is even elevated to be the good guy, with mods deleting dissent. During China's genocide of the Uyghurs, tankies posted Chinese propaganda memes trying to keep their communities supportive of China.
German anti-fascists had a name for such people. Collaborators.
These "don't vote" posts always do the same shtick, too, attacking and blaming liberals (hint: Marx actually admired liberalism), while claiming some true, real, actual left is much better (how? are they all John Rambo? Do we have to wait until the shooting starts?). It just doesn't look very organic, it looks like talking points constantly injected into tankie spaces by Russian propagandists.
when the choice is between democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, you'll still be screeching about how important it is to vote for 99% Hitler since political analysis for liberals stops at the revelation that 99<100.
So you think supporting an additional 5 genocides doesn't make YOU the "bad guy". Shit you couldn't even get to the level of political analysis that "99<100" is, why the hell should anyone listen to a thing you have to say?