this post was submitted on 13 May 2024
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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Sir, this place is for memes, not news reporting

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself, memes are my primary source of information /hj

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Half joking, a tone indicator like /s

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Wait, what news?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are always liable, In both cases.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

I take it this is just a hypothetical situation. Eventually it will be case.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yup. The trolly problem is one of ethics and responsibility, not whether one person or several people die.

The death of the people is irrelevant, your responsibility for those deaths is the point.

I didn't get it either until a good friend and I were discussing it and he said: forget the trolly. How about this, you're walking down the street after eating at Subway (or some similar shop) and you have half a sandwich left, you pass by someone begging for food. You can either choose to give it to them or not. If you choose not to, and later that same day the person dies from starvation, are you responsible for their death because you didn't give them the excess food you had?

The dilemma is based on a few points, if you take action and the person dies, are you responsible for the death you caused, if you take no action are you responsible for deaths you could have avoided by taking action, when you chose not to?

In OP's post, legally, if you are the driver/operator of the vehicle, you are always, 100% responsible for anything the vehicle does, whether under autonomous control or not. This is the law. Whether you are morally at fault, is a matter of debate. You didn't direct the car to run over people, but you also did not stop the car from running over the people.

There's an argument to be made about duty of care, etc.

However, this is the root of the trolly problem.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

with level 3+ autonomous driving the "driver" is not responsible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

The troll (Elon) problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

You could pretend to swerve but still clip them all except for the hot chick. Then jump and pretend to save her from your evil car. So that's how you get lai....wait what was the question?