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Additionally, what changes are necessary for you to be able to use Linux full time?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shit never works and I basically have to become a programmer and expert in CLI to get shit to work... until it breaks again. So after having to Google everything on how to do supposedly simple shit, I always end up going back to Windows and GUI's because I don't have time to become a developer.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

It just doesn't work. It's a simple as that. Things are constantly breaking. When they do I look up support articles that are written in fucking Klingon and sent to the terminal to type in commands that always return some sort of generic error "command not found" or some shit because the solution is written for a different one of the 862700422 available distros.

I have no idea how to install all the different program types (flathub, db, appimage, etc.). Windows has exe. I click "install" and boom, it's done.

Sometimes I try to remove software in the package manager and it acts like it is uninstalled but it's still fucking there.

I can't even select a file because there are no previews. Just a gazillion blue squares with names like "dlcosn_3947912947".

And other reasons, but I digress. I don't have time to learn a new career, I just want a computer that works.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I used Linux Mint for several years on a dual-boot laptop. I rarely found myself booting Windows. While there was a learning curve, Mint was fairly accessible out of the box and was generally a delight to use. Until it wasn't. At some point, the drivers for my video card updated, and just flat broke everything. And I can't really use a computer on which I can't see the desktop. I waited. And waited. A fix for the driver may have eventually come, but after awhile, booting into Windows just became my default, until eventually I just wiped the Linux partition to recover the storage space.

It was fun while it lasted, and I may choose one day to give it another go for the fourth time. This wasn't the first time I've had something like this happen. First time was with Fedora, and the second was Ubuntu. Each time, I had the same "it worked until it didn't" experience, and each time it stopped working was usually some kind of broken driver making my hardware incompatible.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I got tired of everything taking so much effort. I was almost always able to eventually wrangle what I wanted out of the OS, but every change I wanted to make and thing I wanted to try needed so much searching and learning. I wanted stuff that just worked, even if it was "dumber."

That, and some parts of the community I ran into were really prickly. One that was especially memorable: I was asking for help on a big-ish project with a lot of followers and helpers and didn't expect the lead dev to answer my question, but when he did, he felt the need to make a snide as hell comment about how I have no business being there if I'm going to forget to start a service. On top of the exhaustion I was already feeling, I had a massive moment of "okay my guy, I guess I'll just fucking leave then."

Anyway, it just feels better being a poweruser on windows. I know enough to keep it clean, safe, and slim (like using powershell to disable the bits they don't expose to a settings UI, for example) -- to truly admin my machine -- without having to work so hard for it day in and day out.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, those kinds of interactions are inevitable when the developer/user relationship is so close. And it goes both ways. I saw a thread just yesterday where a user reported an issue on github, a second user said they saw it too. Later the first user posted a workaround to the issue, and the second user came back with "took you long enough", and that was the end of the exchange.

Some people in the world are just dicks, but that doesn't mean we should reject interacting with everyone. Similarly, a community of user-maintained software is going to have some asshats, but that doesn't mean we should hand our computing freedom over to one or two corporations. Just my two cents.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Got a long one. I've gone back and forth a few times (I've landed on a dual-boot Windows 10 and Arch setup, maining Arch) (btw) and my biggest takeaway is this:

Mainstream Linux distros, like Mint, do have admittedly very polished basic experiences. The problem is, though, is that it breaks down as soon as you introduce it to unique use-cases or hardware features.

Linux, specifically stable distros like Mint, are already ready for mainstream use for people who use it for basic stuff like email, web browsing, desktop social media like Facebook, and so on. It's also very usable for gaming, as we saw with Steam Deck, but still has issues primarily with adoption.

But if you have for example, a 2-in-1 laptop or a VR setup, things break down very quick. I had to configure my 2-in-1 manually and not everything works still, and VR is a joke if you don't have a Vive or Index, and even that's iffy. SteamVR is still extremely buggy and missing features.

Linux is, by design, configurable and open. This is both its greatest strength and weakness, because it allows users to set up their systems how they want, but only if they know how to. A truly "user-friendly" distro is simply not possible if you retain the configurability, which Valve knows, and is why SteamOS is locked down the way it is. This model is growing in popularity but it's not quite here yet.

At the end of the day, I still use it despite these shortcomings because I feel it's important. I should be able to look at the code and know what my machine is doing, and trust that it respects my rights and freedoms. This is why Linux, and maybe BSD, have to win. But for now, I still have a drive with Windows 10 because it's just simply not a full experience yet, and that's okay. For now

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Software. What's a computer without software other than an over glorified calculator.

That was my first experience with Linux back in the early 2010's and pretty much up to recently. However with changes to my workflow and Steam improving and sharing the improvements with Wine. My software library went from web browsing and office software t

99% of games, and all of my business software.

The UX experience needs some work under the hood. There is still a nasty tendency to over rely on the terminal to fix basic problems. (IBT=off for VM to work).

But its close enough that I can almost recommend it to my grandparents.... Almost.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

First time I ever seriously used Linux was for work, back when I was a developer. You'd have to pay me to use it again. I like gaming, but I don't like wasting my time troubleshooting games. Nor do I enjoy debugging random crashes/black screens in random drivers. Sure, it's fun, but if I'm gonna work for it, someone somewhere better be signing my overtime slip. Cause I get a few hours free per day, and I'd rather not deal with sigsegv anymore if I can help it.

Not to mention sound. My job as dev included using ALSA for some use cases. I don't know if you ever had the misfortune to need to do that or how it went for you, but if I ever need to touch that shit again I will scalp Torvalds with a goddamn headphone jack.

I installed windows 11 when I bought my last PC. I figured I'd give it a shot, see if it's as bad as all my dev friends say it is. You know how many drivers I've had to fix to make my games work? Zero. You know how many hours I spent debugging weird issues? Also zero.

There's a reason windows has a price tag. And part of that reason is that it works better than free stuff. I'm a believer in FOSS, but if you're a craftsman and you can't hammer a nail without needing to adjust your hammer every few swings, you should find a hammer that's not made out of silly putty and dreams.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have to have a computer science degree to install a peice of software.. I just wanna double click the installer icon. I don't want to have to write out some long String in terminal to install software. And sometimes it's different depending on distro.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Basically visual arts software and some writing software. Additionally I have a free version of Ableton Live Lite 11 (so one music-making application as well) that came with my keyboard.

I mostly do photography, writing, and other visual arts type work on my two computers. I use quite a few photography and painting applications (Photoshop, ArtRage, Rebelle, Lightroom, Inspirit, and a few others; I'm also looking at BlackInk), as well as Scrivener and MS Office when I'm writing. I don't know if any of those run well or at all in Linux or in Wine, etc. Also I stopped flirting with learning programming and there wasn't much point maintaining a Linux machine after that. I think Linux is better than Windows all around, and I hate Windows, but it's just because I use certain apps and from what I've heard and seen the Linux apps just aren't as good.

TLDR, creative software that won't run on Linux (to my knowledge, anyway).

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quite simple: When using Linux, I tend to play around, try different stuff, switch distros every couple of month.... When using Windows or MACOS, I just use it as is and don't try to break stuff. And while I could use Linux quite easily without breaking it, my inner child prevents me from using it this way...

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Tell me your parents were upset at you when you were eight, for dismantling appliances, without telling me your parents were upset at you when you were eight, for dismantling appliances

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The miserable drivers for my video card and all the other little things that required hours of fiddling with to get working right. Also, how very few programs ran 100% with WINE. I went back to the simple life to get through school but I'm now eyeing Linux for the dev experience.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, but I get down voted for saying this. ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It happens lol I got someone telling me that "I just need to use the right settings!" D'oh, silly me, I always try to use the wrong settings. Nevermind the time it takes to look up & set that all up, if I only knew the right ones from birth ๐Ÿ˜†

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right!?! I don't think this post actually wanted to hear anything bad about Linux, and if they do you just get called a potato for being a dumb ass. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, and I have nothing against Linux, I think it's wonderful and I'd switch in a heartbeat if it were more convenient than Windows. But the reality is that it's not for many of us who have tried it as our main OS

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've used both regularly for years and went back to Windows when I switched to PC gaming and it's just so much better. Everything just works on Windows.

Linux really needs to work on improving its user experience if it wants to be a true competitor to Mac and Windows. All these little config tweaks and command line prompts you have to do to get things working on Linux just isn't going to win a bunch of people over who are used to things being a few clicks on a wizard to get working.

Edit: it's been years since I last tried Linux so maybe things have changed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

fwiw, I'm now pretty darn happy with Linux and gaming. Granted, I use Steam, so there's that.

There are issues sometimes, but I just keep a copy of windows around for windows-only things. Generally, Linux "just works" for me, but I've also learned to just skip it when something requires too much involvement to get working.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two (minor) issues I have right now in Linux (stuff I need to research more on how to mitigate, at least the first one):

  • RX 6800 with LG 27GL850: In Windows AMD patched like a 1-2 years ago the drivers to use 5W-10W while on desktop. On Linux it still uses 32W and the only workaround is to reduce refresh rate from 144Hz to 120Hz.
  • Audio: When switching between different audio devices ("Line out" and "S/PDIF" some apps do not handle the switch instantly like in Windows. So for example if I'm playing a song in Spotify and I want to S/PDIF (which is connected to some studio monitors in the living room in my case) I need to close spotify and open again. In Windows you can switch without interrupting the song. Same happens while gaming. (Restarting a game is a PITA). I also use S/PDIF with my wired headphones that I use for gaming.

Ubuntu 23.04.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

It kept working.

Linux, every time, without fail, commits suicide after a few weeks/months. It's never something big, always small stuff. A conf file which got fucked by a package. Init.d calls something stupid. Mbr bullshit.

And the same applies to get stuff to work. It's not hard, but researching the issue and fixing it takes time. Those issues do not exist in windows.

It gets annoying. Windows, for all it's shit has gotten more and more self repairing over the years.

I want to work. I want to play. Now, preferably.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the main difficulty with Linux desktops is this "all or nothing" approach to the OS.

Recently got a Steam Deck and most of the games really just work, but that's a handheld where I play solo. On desktop I mostly play online with friends.
I really don't want to constantly switch OS depending on the anticheat situation when we play something else.
And then there is software (fusion360, simhub) & hardware (3d mouse, joysticks, ffb wheel, maybe VR?) that just works on Windows.

So instead of maintaining Windows & Linux on dualboot I just stick with Windows on the desktop.
And I used Linux for a long time on my laptop (and can't wait to ditch MacOS), still use it on servers, but the desktop is just a whole different beast.

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