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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

"We elected him once and our boat isn't flying!1! Why isn't he doing anything?!?" (/s)

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries. And he's risen to maybe middle-of-the-pack by his actions (that is to say, I wasn't expecting much, but I was mildly pleasantly surprised), compared to his 2020 peers. I'm not exactly his fucking fanboy, I just recognize that he's not a Republican fucking ghoul. But the way people seem to judge actions in complete ignorance of how our government works, or of how fucking byzantine the processes even just for passing, much less implementing, legislature is... it's exhausting, frustrating, and infuriating.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A little later:

"Okay SURE the boat is flying but as a strong leftist advocate I really think it's problematic how he's treated the underpaid people who build flying boat motors, and I think we need to focus more on what Biden should be doing better to convince me to vote for him against the hole-drilling-and-baby-punching club, because I think probably I'll sit this one out"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also "sure, the boat's flying now and we aren't drowning, but what we really need is to get to land, being in a boat doesn't even make sense. So I'm going to sit this one out because both parties want us in the boat. What's that? The other party's trying to sink the boat before we get to land? I don't care, it's about the principle of wanting to be on land!"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"I don't see the boat flying, see this is the whole problem with the Democrats is that when people tell them they're HURTING they just break out all these figures about altitude and tell you to stick your hand out the boat and see if you can touch the water, that's super condescending and not very productive and unresponsive to criticism, it's like a cult man, blue MAGA amirite, so anyway I'm definitely not voting for them NOW because now you hurt my feelings."

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (66 children)

I can understand being unwilling to vote for Biden because he’s supporting genocide. That, taken by itself, is perfectly reasonable.

Why aren’t those otherwise intelligent, thoughtful people looking at the bigger picture, though?

Don’t they understand that under Trump, things will be much worse? What’s their moral rationale for allowing fascism to take over America, and empowering untold numbers of reprehensible people? I’m trying to understand, but I just don’t get it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (5 children)

They don't seem to understand that the Israel/Palestine situation is not on the ballot this November; does anyone actually think Trump would oppose Israel? Even if he personally wanted to, his supporters are all nominal Christians who would turn on him in an instant if he suddenly stopped supporting God's Chosen People.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?

Can anyone explain to me how the Nazis and pro-Israel crowds seem to be so friendly at the moment? It’s almost like this has nothing to do with Israel.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?

Yes.

Antisemite support of Israel is very common, because antisemites:

  1. Have a lot of overlap with fundies, who believe that Israel MUST exist for the apocalypse to occur
  2. Enjoy the thought of an ethnostate where they can deport all the Jews to
  3. Hate Muslims more than Jews
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The Cristo-fascists are actively hoping for an Armageddon situation to bring about all their end of world predictions. The IDF may belong to a different abrahamic cult but they’re useful for fomenting that chaos in the region and lighting the lamp for jeebus or whatever the fuck they believe

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They understand perfectly and that's why they're making it on the ballot. So what's it going to be: continue supporting genocide and lose votes or stop supporting genocide and gain votes? Seems like an obvious choice, but maybe you're too smart and understand too much over the masses you look down upon.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately most of Biden's voting base hasn't paid attention to politics since 243BC so they still think Israel is the good guy

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I would imagine the Dem looking at the Republican and say "don't do it again", then turn towards the non-voter and say "the boat is now repaired" and then sit down pleased with himself.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Where are the centrists giving the Republicans a drill and arguing that a just giving them a slight smaller drill bit then they requested is a good thing and the only way to keep the boat from sinking faster?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The analogy from the cartoon is actually deeply flawed for the present situation; back about 10-15 years I think it was pretty accurate.

What it should be now, the best that I can make it out, is a pretty big boat that's in quite a bit of mechanical trouble to the point that there's a lot of unrest on board and it may not make it back to land and may get sunk by the next big storm. And, on board is:

Republicans actively drilling more holes, setting the engine on fire for some reason, stealing the flares and emergency beacon so they can sell them off to each other, shitting in the water supply, basically doing too many different bad things to even count or keep track of

A third of the people labeled with "Democrat" helping them, a third looking the other way or making vague attempts to tell them to stop, a third vigorously trying to stop them, sometimes with some level of success

Biden presiding over that whole process, and somehow producing some level of progress on the most critical of the problems, which is actually pretty shocking considering how fuckin insane the entire boat is at this point.

(Oh and also one of the Republicans has a handgun and keeps talking about how we need to shoot every single person on the boat who isn't a Republican, and a lot of the Republicans are agreeing with him and saying they should have handguns too)

A tiny handful of people who are actually trying to organize, work on problems, work out how we might be able to get to land, put together water distillation since we're running out, better system for choosing who's in charge, some genuine improvement to our situation.

And then, a certain body of people who are swearing they are actually part of that last group, but who spend 100% of their time saying they don't see any difference between Biden guy and handgun guy, and some of the other people were punching some of the last group, and anyway what about the water, no wait I meant what about the flares, he hasn't even done anything about the flares... just more or less a constant drumbeat of opposition with none of the forward movement that comes from the last group. And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn't that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you're ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.

That's still an oversimplification. But it seems somewhat more complete and accurate than the cartoon. My man: Start talking about ranked choice voting. Start talking about joining Extinction Rebellion. If you want to do better than Biden, fuckin do it, it sounds great. But saying that letting Trump win this particular election is anything other than the end of the world, is just lying.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn’t that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you’re ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.

This is what gets me. Some (most, if the news is accurate) Republicans are so cartoonishly evil that people's first reaction is "that can't be right, you're just exaggerating" followed shortly by "oh isn't it awfully convenient that you aren't a part of that group?"

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (16 children)

The editor has foolishly put them at the front of the boat pretending they’re enforcing it instead of slowly pouring cups of water into the boat.

Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.

Also centrists under a fully right system, are sitting in the centre of the right and thus still rightists.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (39 children)

Hey democrats, try plugging the hole.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Brandon 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth. The fascists must be made to suffer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Nuremberg 2024

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Man, I would just like to not be in line for losing all ability to influence my government, and very likely in line for escalated genocide all across the globe. I don't need the fascists to suffer, I just need them to not run my fucking life, and preferably, not anyone else's either.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Stop the vote blue no matter who spam

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

He's physically incapable.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Accurate. No extra bucket, alleged "non-voters" guy isn't actually refusing to grab one, he just looks smug and isn't praising the Democrats. Dems aren't doing enough, boat's still going to sink. Democrats decided to bring two buckets instead of getting rid of the drill or the Republican. If "non-voters" guy stopped balancing the weight and came over to pat the Dems on the back like they want him to, they would just slide to the right and push their end of the boat under without having to wait for the hole to do it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Too few cops beating up someone with a bucket.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ya i fkn do actually, i'm planning on growing gills

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