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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The more infrastructure they lay and the more customers they connect, the harder to shut them down. The more bail-worthy they become.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah they're trying hard to achieve the "too big to kill" status, like shamu.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Shamu would have succumbed to a .308 to the brain pan. There ain't shit that is "to big to be killed", just those unwilling to do the killing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Because number has to go up. Always. Forever. Unending.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Because money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably same reason as here in Australia.

The gas companies have managed to create a multifaceted cult where they've brainwashed people into thinking electricity is unclean (despite things like heat pumps being 500% efficient), unreliable and expensive.

Also, it helps that people who paid too much for their ICE cars are scared and they know that their cars will increasingly drop in value as people transition away from gas and fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I don't see a lot of people worrying about their cars devaluing. Except for the recent blip, most cars devalued fast, and the cars that held value before didn't retain it because of their utility.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Annnnnd this is exactly why we need the carbon tax.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The boat salesman says you need a boat.

YOU pay for the infrastructure, YOU pay for the maintenance, YOU pay for the gas. Why would they stop now?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

"Growth at any cost" is a great motto for corporations, and cancer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The problem is, they aren't going anywhere. They'll just funnel money to politicians to stop any attempt to stop them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Because we live in Canada and our design day heating energy requirement is typically far greater than our design day cooling energy requirement. Add in the fact that best pump efficiency falls way off at design day heating (to half or less of design day cooling) and you end up with equipment that may be able to do heating and cooling but is way oversized for cooling, so lots of people opt to save capital (and potentially maintenance) money by relying on gas heat for the coldest days.

Because water heating with heat pumps is currently garbage on the residential scale... the heat pump capacity on residential water heaters is quit low, which is fine for keeping the tank warm but not for dealing with a half decent draw, so they all include full electric capacity which means you need the service size and associated operating costs to go along with it. Commercial heat pump water heating isn't much better, it may get better once CO2 or propane take off as a refrigerant here.

Because more and more buildings are putting in emergency generators, which require either natural gas, propane or fuel oil. One of those is significantly easisr to install and maintain than the other two.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Although this might be accurate, what would be the true cost of gas if you removed all the subsidies and added the cost of fossil fueled warming from the continued GHG release? What will be the cost of gas if climate change really starts to pop and we undergo radically accelerated decarbonization? What is the projected cost of renewables + batteries + electric heating in 5, 10 or 20 years?

These are more relevant details regarding the building of infa that should be built to last, and is costed to last, for several decades.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I just had to buy a new gas furnace and air conditioner, so, with my mind on global warming, I asked the furnace guy what it would cost to put in a heat pump. He said he has put in quite a few, but the costs have gone way up. He also said that in our climate I would need an electric back-up furnace for winter because a heat pump loses efficiency quickly at temps below -15C. The cost was going to be around $30,000, compared to $15,000 for the new gas furnace and AC. Also, electricity in Ontario is an incredibly expensive way to heat, so that would be a big extra monthly cost in the winter. An in-ground geothermal system would be about $65,000, he said.

It isn't hard to see why gas is still popular, and that it will continue to be far into the future unless we undertake some kind of national project to replace our fossil fuel infrastructure with nuclear for the needed electricity and then convert our cars and homes over to full electric.

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