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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you’re out there working and didn’t go to college, Joe Biden’s forgiving student loans, and you’re paying for them,” the Republican senator said on Fox News Sunday.

OK, so my pennies, which amount to a rounding error, are making it so someone else can get their head above water? What is the bad/scary/dictator part?? They are so afraid of education, as the second you can do critical thinking their whole fear mongering platform of lies falls apart.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

First, an educated populous brings the entire economy up. It creates new markets, new fields and industries, and more opportunities for everyone. It also takes a large chuck of the workforce into offices, labs, and around the world instead of competing with you for your machining job at the factory, which would devalue your role and result in lowering your wage, if you got the job at all.

Second, the only reason for the massive amounts of student debt is due to universities massively inflating the cost of an education to milk the government of their federal student loans. This doesn't address that directly, but it applies pressure on the government to reign in these bloated tuition and book costs that universities are pushing.

Third, if we're so afraid Joe the Plumber and the rest of the Working Class might have to help his fellow man with 3 cents of his annual tax rate, then increase the tax on the wealthy controlling class to cover it instead. The same tax bill will mean waaaaay less to them.

Edit: for clarification, that was a rebuttal to Graham's comment, not yours, OP

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

Agreed! Paying for YOUR degrees is DANGEROUS! Paying for Billionaire's Yachts via Warfare is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They make more money on average so pay more taxes.

How is that a bad thing?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because if we help them pay off those predatory loans, they're less desperate and less likely to accept a bullshit job to avoid starvation and homelessness. Can't have people having options, like those afforded to educated folks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

They don't want people moving out of red states, like South Carolina. Too bad for him.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't accept his premise. It's completely incorrect. Statistics show that the vast majority of people getting student loan relief are not ultra wealthy, or even mildly wealthy, or Wealthy by any definition. Wealthy people don't need student loans. It's overwhelmingly people of lower middle class background or currently working in lower middle class jobs will receive student loan debt relief. People either just above just at or just below the poverty line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you go to post secondary education you’re going to on average make more money then if you don’t.

If you make more money you’ll pay more taxes the rest of your life so it’s a cheap investment is my point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes that's nice, but I'm saying don't concede his premise. You seem to be doing that. You can have your point while the same time acknowledging he's lying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

You’re not understanding my point.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Yeah. Cuz the next step is creating as public school system that includes 2 years of technical school....

and that'd be socialist.

and socialism is dangerous to his constituents.

(if you're buying him off, you're not his constituent.)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

😠🫸 Millions to help poor students

😃👉 Billions in bailouts to the rich

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

This is dangerous to our democracy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

“THE ONLY THING THAT HELPS THE ECONOMY IS TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!”, yelled Graham.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

It's beyond dangerous to the GOP to have a successful and educated society that isn't crumbling under debts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I mean this isn't it. But this country is toast.

This is where we're at?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Sen. Lindsay Graham went on a fear-mongering rant about President Joe Biden’s actions to forgive student debt, calling the relief “beyond lawless and beyond dangerous.”

If you’re out there working and didn’t go to college, Joe Biden’s forgiving student loans, and you’re paying for them,” the Republican senator said on Fox News Sunday.

Doug Burgum has also had harsh words for Biden and defended his repeated comments calling the current president’s administration “a dictatorship.”

CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins asked the Republican governor on Sunday’s State of the Union, “I understand you don’t like President Biden’s policies on immigration or student loans.

“Part of where this word [dictatorship] has come from has been a nonstop media attack on President Trump saying that, oh, that he might use executive orders when he takes office,” Burgum said.

Collins replied by pointing out that Biden has signed far fewer executive orders than Trump did in the same amount of time when he was in office.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This despicable fuck is aging, and the future can’t come fast enough.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Reminder that this is a nuanced issue. Some people got fuck all to show for their student loans and need our help. Some people got exactly what they paid for. Don't be fooled into thinking we're all in the same boat, or that targeted relief is too complicated. I bring this up because so many advocates for forgiveness are scaring off potential allies with an all-or-nothing mentality, allowing people like Lindsey Graham to rally against a straw man. This should be about helping people who need help - plain and simple.