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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There are groups of people who are in genuine danger when around the person on the right

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Palestinians are also people.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah. I'm one of them. The shallow understanding of white moderates is our greatest obstacle. I'd rather have Trump so you must also suffer. Then, when you're actually suffering, you may be also motivated to do more than cast a vote for the "lesser evil", then forget, again.

They're the same fucking picture.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Average ml user.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're both idiots but at least one is trying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The one on the left might just be trolling the ones on the right. At least they used the real flags and not the Trump branded ones. It's not very hard to remove/paint over the lettering on the tailgate once the election is over either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Is it though?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The difference is one is Fascism and the other is Fascism Lite™

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

The right one is the fascism lite...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If anyone thinks they're different pictures, just ask yourself which administration will end the Gaza (and now West Bank) genocide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, Gaza isn’t the only major humanitarian crisis we’re dealing with, and democrats are substantially better on most of the other ones.

Of course, I fully support (and have participated in) the efforts them to pressure them to do the right thing on that topic. Pressure which would be unlikely to have much effect on republicans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm not convinced that Democrats can be pressured to do the right thing either. They can hold all 3 branches and still fail to do anything meaningful to better peoples' lives in the long term.

Still no Gaza ceasefire, still no universal healthcare, still no federal abortion bill, still no packed supreme Court, still no non compete ban. They're just Republicans larping as not-Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're right. Better let trump win and end democracy so we don't have to have these discussions anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Liberal hyperbole as usual. Trump is the system working as planned. There was lots of outrage after 1/6, but nothing fundamentally changed. Nothing fundamentally changed by his being in office or his actions in office either. His immigration policies were retained by Biden, his corporate tax breaks were retained by Biden, his sections of border wall were maintained by Biden, his policy of letting Israel do whatever it wants was maintained by Biden. What actually changed under Biden?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nothing fundamentally changed? The fuck country do you live in? Have you not seen the damage done by letting him have 3 supreme court appointments? And on that note, every "official" action is beyond scrutiny now so there are literally no guard rails if trump wins or steals a second term.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

While I'd normally contentedly eschew civility in favor of directness and accuracy, a bit might be warranted in the event of genuine discussion between honest actors.

That being said I'm not genuinely convinced of SkyezOpen's capabilities towards civility nor honesty as an actor.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fuck country do you live in?

Russia, as I'm sure you'll contend.

Have you not seen the damage done by letting him have 3 supreme court appointments?

Huh, guess if Dems didn't want that to happen they could have put a competent candidate against him. Also don't think even he expected to get that many. I suppose the aging and cancer having justice could have stepped down during a Democratic administration but she was a bit attached to the job and power. Ultimately though I think Biden is responsible since he could have packed the court with justices any time during his administration and decided against it because of "norms", assuming he has enough brain cells remaining to comprehend the concept.

And on that note, every "official" action is beyond scrutiny now so there are literally no guard rails if trump wins or steals a second term.

Interesting, sounds like another thing that would be fixed by court packing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So is your narrative that trump didn't actually do any damage to the country, or that dems should have worked harder to stop it?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My narrative is that Trump is the imaginary cudgel Democrats wield against voters in order to justify their cushy do-nothing jobs, collect donations, insider trade, and pretend they stand for something. It's all theatre. In reality they either don't care what he does or agree with him, because if they cared then something might actually change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

imaginary

OK, so you're really gonna say he didn't do anything bad. Cool.

Unrelated, how do you feel about Mao or Stalin? Just curious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

OK, so you're really gonna say he didn't do anything bad. Cool.

Yeah, straw men are really easy to beat up. I'm saying no damage he did was irreparable by a president or party that actually wanted to fix it.

Unrelated, how do you feel about Mao or Stalin? Just curious.

All leaders are a mixed bag. Stalin is why Hitler is dead and the Nazis were defeated but also why gay rights in the Soviet Union got set back. Mao killed off much of the horrendously abusive landlord class (which was somewhat similar to a minor nobility in China) but was a bit of a Luddite. His struggle sessions were also incautious enough that even the future General Secretary of the party, Deng Xiaoping, was caught up in one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

They rarely have held a clear majority in all 3 branches, and when they do that majority comes with a few DINO's that hold the deciding votes. It's dishonest to pretend people that never have power, have all the power to fix things. They don't carry magic wands, they need 51% of the vote. Or in case of the Senate, 60%. Progressives will never have power if they are punished by the voters for never having power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve said it before, it’s a fucked up trolley problem where both parties will continue to fund and furnish Israel with weapons but only one party will add a second genocide in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Whatever happens in Ukraine at this point is pretty much whatever was going to happen to begin with. Russia has nukes. Ukraine does not have nukes nor does it have allies that have nukes. If Russia decides to pick up its ball and go home, it's gonna make sure no one else can play either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ukraine does not ... have allies that have nukes.

Wat?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don’t think a trump presidency would affect the invasion of Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think under a trump presidency the same result might happen faster and cheaper.

What Biden has a real chance to do is negotiate an end to this that ends up with fewer bodies, but he's living in the delusion that this can end in a Ukrainian victory so he won't do that. Actually if he's coherent at all he might think that this is really juicing some defense company's stock more than anything by having federal funds buying the Ukrainians more equipment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is an imperialist war by Russia to (re)vassalize their neighbor. Don't be supporting the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine, or promoting defeatism here. Just because US = bad doesn't mean Russia = good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh I never said Russia was good. I'm not really sure there are any good sides here.

Anyone who's taken a deep look into Ukrainian culture and recent history will notice their odd fetishization of Nazis because Nazis tried to help them secure independence from the Soviets because it was profitable (huge amounts of grain farmland), despite Nazis' hatred of Slavs.

Russia is obviously being an imperialist power here, but it's because of increased and illegal NATO expansion after the Cold War.

Obviously USA under the flag of NATO is an imperialist power because they want the grain land and chip manufacturing these days as well.

So while Ukrainian civilians are by and large innocent, they are caught up in something that's been much bigger than them for a long time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

So Russian invading Ukraine is okay because you (and Putin) say they’re Nazis?