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"continuing to push the boundaries of consent."
If by "push the boundaries" you meant "completely ignore them", then yes. This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.
“This change is designed to create an easier way for Outlook and Microsoft Teams users to reduce task switching across windows and tabs to help stay focused,” says Katy Asher, senior director of communications at Microsoft, in a statement to The Verge. “By opening browser links in Microsoft Edge, the original message in Outlook or Teams can also be viewed alongside web content to easily access, read and respond to the message, using the matching authenticated profile. Customers have the option to disable this feature in settings.”
I don't know if this is a neurodivergent thing but I 500% could never see myself in a position I could say something I knew to be such BS and put my name to it.
That sounds illegal, especially since they already lost an anti-trust lawsuit for Internet Explorer browser two decades ago. I guess they have enough power now that they don't have to worry about silly things like laws.
I've been using edge since the first chromium beta. I'm considering moving to firefox just out of spite.
Firefox is great! I have never been to a website where it doesn't work, and the future of the internet relies on people ditching chrome based browsers (don't kid yourself, chromium = supporting chrome and monopolistic companies)
Sadly haven’t had the same experience. There are some websites that are broken and Canvas particularly didn’t play videos well on Firefox. Also, it has been really laggy for me lately and watching videos has been laggy. There are also no tab sorting options. I love Firefox and still use it, but it’s not all great.
For me the worst part is sites with crappy JavaScript not working in it. It's like they didn't even test it in Firefox. Our time tracking and accrual systems at work and my bank system don't operate particularly well in Firefox. Whenever people do refreshes on websites it's kind of hit or miss whether they actually work out of the box.
I've converted over to mainly running Brave because It's more aggressive about blocking tracking while still remaining almost completely chrome compatible.
I generally still keep a Firefox browser window open but it's mainly to play YouTube videos.
When Microsoft offered GPT to edge users I flipped over and started using that for a while. I loaded it down with all my normal Chrome plugins. For me it's faster unless ram heavy than Firefox, Chrome, or Brave, I just don't trust openly giving all of my browsing data to Microsoft.
For me the worst part is sites with crappy JavaScript not working in it. It's like they didn't even test it in Firefox.
A major issue now is that some sites actually unknowingly rely on bugs in Chrome, so they don't work properly in other browsers that don't have the same bugs. Mozilla do ship some workarounds with Firefox (where it detects sites that rely on bugs and patches them to work properly) but obviously they can't test everything.
I love Firefox, but had to go to Edge due to tab groupings. How Firefox doesn’t have this yet boggles my mind. The day I see they have groups, I’ll be all over it again.
For me what did my migration was the frequent crashes and the adding of bloat
I tried using outlook this year for the first time in 15 years, and immediately NOPED the fuck out when I noticed it displayed ads in-line with my inbox.
And then there are those rumors that they want to display ads in the settings panel. Fuck Microsoft, they have ZERO trustworthiness in my book
I unfortunatelly have to use outlook and teams at work. If this really becomes the case, I will both write to EU regulators and try to petition our IT to move away from microsoft teams and potentially outlook.
Same for me. My company talks a big game, but is bad at audits or detection for authorized devices / unauthorized access.
I wiped my work pc and ran linux daily for a year. Remina for remote management was far better than the native RDP client in Windows. Web based outlook got the job done. Teams app in Windows is just reskinned chrome anyhow. Works just as good in a browser. Had a remote box set up for any thing that absolutely required Windows.
I stopped using Windows and converted to Linux. I'm not going to be "one of those people" and tell you that you should too, but I've been using Linux full-time for 3 years for gaming, work, and personal stuff and never felt the need to go on Windows except to use my VR headset, which I haven't used in months. I just built a new PC and haven't even bothered installing my Windows SSD into it in the last 4 weeks since I built it. I may never and just sell my VR headset.
I've been wanting to switch to Linux but it just looks like one of those things I'd dive head-first into and have no idea what I'm doing, not to mention I have years of random shit on hard drives formatted for Windows.
I'd love to do it, but it all just looks so overwhelming, maybe i'll think about it more seriously if/when I ever replace my current laptop. What flavor do you recommend? I mainly use my computer for gaming but sometimes school too, plus id like it to be as windows-like as possible just so I don't have to worry about a major shift in usability.
Is there a way to convert windows content to linux-compatible files? Can I just save the files I want to a USB drive and move them? Nothing I wanna save is specifically windows, mostly game files and/or photos
Just plug it in. Linux will read it. You don't need to do anything. Also I highly recommend Fedora with KDE Plasma.
Microsoft: "you no want Microsoft? You want Microsoft. "
Weren’t they literally sued and almost broken up for doing something like this by antitrust prosecutors like 25 years ago?
Sort of related, but this reminds me of a really annoying thing that’s been happening on my work windows 11 machine.
Any time I launch chrome from VSCode to attach a debugger, edge launches along with it, and directs me to a page that says “try the new bing.”
Absolutely infuriating, makes me want to uninstall edge.
I mean, why not just uninstall edge then?
Good luck with that lmao
You can absolutely do it, the one that comes to mind is a small batch file you can download that disables it. I know there's plenty of other ways too though if you're not comfortable with that
Ran into this about two weeks ago. It can be turned off.
Here's the setting to change. It's under File -> Options -> Advanced
God I hate Windows and their dance with monopolistic behaviour. They’ll bring out a “feature” that changes how a program works so you have to change it back, in the hopes that most people don’t do it. They keep doing it with browsers because they siphon away enough users each time that it’s worth it for them.
Windows should have a default browser choice in settings, and any program you use should automatically use it no matter what, unless you physically change it yourself. It shouldn’t even be possible for them to do. I really need to learn how to use Linux. I’ve got a spare SSD. Fuck it
Linux is not even difficult to use and there is no telemetry slowing down the hardware you paid for and feeding some greedy org with your user data. Ubuntu desktop is perfectly fine as a daily driver as long as you don't use it for gaming or windows apps through Wine. Thats when it becomes more complicated and error prone.
When Windows 10 hits EOL we might actually arrive at the year of Linux. I've been daily driving Arch (obligatory, I use arch btw) for the past 7 months and aside from a few hiccups where I tried to tweak absolutely everything and NVIDIA shenanigans, neither of which was the fault of the underlying kernel or OS, it has been dreamy. Never going back.
It's not that hard to use and it's worth the transition. Gaming on Linux is pretty reasonable at this point, most stuff is in the browser or has a Linux app now too.
Remember when Microsoft got raked over the coals for this kind of behavior, in the 90s?
Use Thunderbird
As much as I love Thunderbird, I do not want to retrain Outlook users. I just want Microsoft to use my chosen browser.
This caused me to rage quit my emails this morning. I'm going to back to Thunderbird.
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This kind of horseshit is CONSTANT with Windows updates. I see customer PCs where I know I've set the default browser to Firefox or Chrome, and lo and behold, suddenly everything is opening in fucking Edge.
Edge was decent when it was first released. It's ~~slowly~~ quickly becoming the 2023 version of Nero Burning ROM from back in the 2000s. A bloated mess.
That's how it works with Microsoft. Even search in Windows disregards completely your default browsers settings into opening them straight in Edge.
It also ignores the files and apps on your PC
Ran into this yesterday, when my manager opened a link and had to call me to help because it didnt autofill his passwords.
This "productivity increase" cost my corporation 15 minutes the first time anyone ran into it.
"Suddenly"? This has been happening for a long time. If you click on outbound links from built-in Windows apps, they used to always open in Edge unless you used a tool named EdgeDeflector to redirect them to your preferred browser. In 2021, they killed EdgeDeflector by making it impossible to redirect links with the microsoft-edge:// protocol baked in, even if you go deep into the registry settings to change this. They will eventually do this to Outlook and Teams too and get away with it, just like they got away with restricting EdgeDeflector.
Keep using Windows!