Cis people: doing whatever they want including things that could be considered inmoral
Government: that's completely normal
Trans people: exist
Government: wait that's illegal
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Russian army: Bombs and kidnaps children
Government: Special military exercise, totally justified.
Trans people: Exist
Government: How horrible! Won't anyone think of the children?
I'm reminded of one of my old memes when I see people in power pull shit like this.
People can't revolt if you force them to have to fight for their right to even exist first.
Or maybe fascists are just transphobic bigots who want to torture and kill trans people because, well, they're fascists, it's what they do?
You need to understand the far right doesn't give a damn about economic issues. Not one crap. (Because most far-right supporters are middle-class or higher, for the record!) They want power for one reason, and one reason only: to lord it over the minorities they consider their inferiors, if not outright killing them.
This isn't a "distraction", it's the fucking goal.
Why not both? Far right movements, at least as far back as the transition of the Tories into the conservative party in the early 1800s, have been lead by the interests of the ultra rich. Far right "philosophy" has always been to their service, whether its regressive "economics" of Malthus or the complete fiction of scientific racism. Almost definitionally, there isn't a far right movement without a ruling class that it supports and is supported by; that's what they are trying to "conserve".
Part of this is having a permanent underclass. Or more than one. Just as the "middle class" is under the ruling class, the under class must be beneath them. This is part of the conservative mindset, which again is created and nurtured by the ruling class for this purpose. The difference between garden variety conservatives and fascists, in this regard, is simply that fascists want the elimination of the permanent underclass.
the whole point of conservatism is to preserve and reinforce the social order.
it's not progress.
As if Putin didn't already give us enough reasons to hate him.
He really is determined to follow in all of Hitler's footsteps, huh. Well, hopefully he'll follow Hitler right to the same ending.
Pure speculation: could this have been motivated, to any extent, by some desire to maintain a predictable portion of the population conscriptable, given that only men are conscripted?
The war isn't going quite in the way Putin would have hoped, after all.
It's a drop in the bucket in that sense, but, what's a target of this law, yet another win over 'deranged west' and it's agenda.
Most of the time people with gender dysphoria don't even know what's that, can hardly find a community, realize they are not cis, start a course of costy tabs, believe they can aquire a legal status from that state – all that with still being there, working, meeting people. It was a surprise to many this loophole existed. And it's still required a doc confirming you have a mental illness.
Cis men won't even try that for our right-wing politics and propaganda, they would rather break a leg than that, or just wait it out.
And no, there are a lot of people still availiable for service. Minority of transwomen wouldn't do any weather. But I'm fucking crumble inside imagining any of them being mobilized into a typical men environment. It's a death sentence.
No.
This is about social conformity and giving the public an enemy to hate.
Great now maybe some Americans will migrate there
As if that is the biggest problem with Russia right now
LGBT laws and talks are pulled out by the right/far-right when there are shitstorms incoming. It’s literally a giant “Press in case of emergency” button, alongside immigration, etc
This is completely false, going after trans people was literally one of the first thing the Nazis did.
LGBTQ+ people aren't a "distraction" from "more important issues", they are real human beings with real lives who fascists love to fuck with for no other reason than they're bullies.
It's a good decision IMO. Some would argue voluntary surgery is okay but it's just a giant can of worms.
Another giant can of worms is deciding which individuals get to choose what to do with their bodies.
You already can't have a doctor amputate your healthy limb.
yeah, what a shame lol
If only a doctor would amputate your head, so you could stop filling the world with your ignorance.
What I'm saying is that you already can't have a medical professional do whatever you want on your body. Can't even sell your organs!
Don't bother to explain they only get what they want to get, I just proved this point here in the comments
There have been cases of individuals with BID (body integrity disphoria) that have had perfectly healthy limbs removed. Gender reassignment surgeries are also a replacement, not just an amputation. At the end of the surgery, the patient will still have perfectly working genitals, just ones that don't damage their mental health.
Perfectly working genitals? You can't be serious??
The West is forcing woke and lgbt culture and brainwashing little kids to mutilate themself for life so yeah, Putin did a good thing
Well that's bullshit.
Also anyone anti-woke is by definition must fall into a category of pro slavery, pro women not being able to vote, anti civil rights, pro totalitarianism.. and the list would go on. Anti-woke would mean asleep and letting the world piss all over you and you never even noticing.
But sure though, hold onto your "programed" terms like woke and ride them into your ignorant rabbit hole.
Also anyone anti-woke is by definition must fall into a category of pro slavery, pro women not being able to vote, anti civil rights, pro totalitarianism... and the list would go on
That's the weirdest and stupidest assumption I have ever read. I am actually pro women and i am defending their rights. People that believe that men can be women and thus allows them in female competitions and then this "women" set new records impossibles to achieve by a real women. You and most people like you don't even know how much is that offensive towards women. I will not answer on the other points since your assumption is just so ridiculous but then I am the one "programmed" to think that but surely you are not programmed to make that assumption as soon as you see the slightest thing against LGBT, LMAO.
Anti-woke would mean asleep and letting the world piss all over you and you never even noticing.
Funny thing is that from my point of view you like most people that think like you are "asleep and letting the world piss all over you and you never even noticing"
So you are saying you are woke when it comes to women's rights.
Also it is widly agreed that trans won't compete competitively in professional sports for women.
If you don't want people to see you as being against/for said things, don't say you are.
The point was don't say pushing woke shit on people and not realize that means pushing anti-slavery values and equal rights for women, etc.
If you don’t want people to see you as being against/for said things, don’t say you are
So if a person is against something he shouldn't express his opinion? What about freedom of speech? I basically said "good thing that children of 12 years old can't go into the transition process, a process that can mutilate them for life for a choice they are not ready to make" I was LITERALLY called a "insecure, pro slavery, against women be able to vote, anti civil rights and pro totalitarianism", I was surprised to not being called a "bigot" but there are a few comments that i haven't read yet. How in the world is this behaviour ok? The people who said that to me, including the people who brainlessly upvoted them are toxic and moreover are promoting a toxic behaviour.
Why LGBT people want to their opinion respected and then proceed to not respect other people opinion? When i posted the comment I was fully aware of the outcome and just wanted to prove a point. (BTW i was hoping for a less toxic community at least here on Lemmy, i was proved wrong sadly).
Also it is widely agreed that trans won’t compete competitively in professional sports for women
Yeah, they should be banned unfortunately just a few days ago a transgender man won Miss Netherlands. How come it is widely agreed and then LGBT community doesn't speak up against this? I am genuinely asking, i'm trying to have a pacefull conversation here, but I still need to dodge insults...
I am a woman and your opinion sucks. Just how many percentage of people who transitioned do you think compete in sport at professional level? That's a completely invalid reason to make it illegal for people to transition. You can disagree with having transitioned women compete in women sport, but it's a completely different matter from the anti human rights and freedom of choice view point to stop people who want to from transitioning. It's ridiculous this even need to be spelled out to you.
Moreover, this sounds like it stems from your insecurity more than anything, and I don't believe that is at all a valid reason for gate keeping people. And should I mention how you lump the whole LGBTQ in the issue you have with just transpeople? You're just hating (or conditioned to hate) and it's petty.
Let's go a step further, there are non binary people out there. Are you going to hate on them just because they are born that way? It's fucking stupid.
It’s ridiculous this even need to be spelled out to you
Another incorrect assumption.
this sounds like it stems from your insecurity
So to make a summary, for you people I am insecure, pro slavery, against women be able to vote, anti civil rights and pro totalitarianism. Anything else?
Are you going to hate on them just because they are born that way.
Incredible, guess what? Another incorrect assumption. When did i express hate? The only one here receiving hate It's me and i am being hated by the people who profess to spread love.
Another incorrect assumption.
And yet no reasoning given. A rather pointless response. It suggests you don't have reasons to support your hate.
So to make a summary, for you people I am insecure, pro slavery, against women be able to vote, anti civil rights and pro totalitarianism. Anything else?
How about you stop victimising yourself and reason something meaningful for a chance? Apparently, it's okay for you to say the side you disagree with is getting brainwashed (remember, you used the word first), and mutilating themselves (also, your word, which is wrong btw), but it's not okay for other sides to say the same to you? Quite a hypocrite we have here.
When did i express hate?
Literally the points you are expressing. You are supporting making choices illegal to people. Choices that are extremely meaningful to some. You are encouraging their persecution.
The only one here receiving hate It’s me and i am being hated by the people who profess to spread love.
Again, stop victimising yourself LMAO. People who say hateful words to others don't get to play the victim card when they are called out.
And yet no reasoning given
i was about to but you are so full of yourself and your opinions that you won't listen/understand. Anyway since you asked (not even in a gentle and reasonable way) here it is: I think Putin signed that law to put a stop to the spread of the LGBT culture in Russia because in US, Canada, UK and other countries are indoctrinating children by teaching 5 years old Gender and gender ideology (this is my opinion, you may like it or not but should be respected). A couple of weeks ago I was speaking with a canadian man, transitioned to woman (with hormones) and he was wondering if he should go to surgery for sex change but he was unsure. He told me he is confused (HIS WORDS), and then he proceeded to told me he was tricked (tricked is how he feels, i'm going to explain it later) by doctors into the transition process who didn't mention not even ONE of the side effects of taking hormones (like the bones and joints pain that is chronic and will never go away). He felt tricked because every doctor and psicologyst with whom he spoke was very happy to make him transition but when he started to question the process, and started to ask to revert the process he is suddenly left alone. This was his experience is a summary, or at least is the summary of the summary he told me.
And before you people lecture me on how i am misgendering him: he stopped taking hormones to be a man again. (I am walking on egg shells... XD)
How about you stop victimising yourself
You are so good on judging people that you don't even realize I was mocking.
which is wrong btw
It's an actual fact.
Choices that are extremely meaningful to some
If this choice is so important couldn't them go transition in another country?
stop victimising yourself
here, again, I wasn't victimizing but was questioning your, and other people that replied to me, behavior, you are not capable of having a conversation without insulting (this was another point a wanted to prove, proved right again, sadly). And for quoting you "It’s ridiculous this even need to be spelled out to you".
Imagine siding with a war criminal hell bent on destroying not only his neighbor’s house but his own house too.
Don’t be a fucking idiot, nothing is being pushed on kids other than acceptance and tolerance of others. Which ironically, for the most part they already understand. They’re brainwashed to hate, just like you were.
Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
“the west” you ever hear of Thai ladyboys you fucking dunce