I don't think most truly understand that corporations don't follow a moral compass when it comes to respecting boundaries
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
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Yeah, I'm often thinking "am I sounding crazy right now?" when I ever mention that I care about privacy.
I kind of understand the issues with privacy, but not really. What don't you want online companies to know and why?
I don't want them to know anything that isn't completely necessary, and even that should be wiped as soon as it's no longer relevant. Why should I be okay with corps recording all of my online behavior and preferences just so they can sell that info for a bit of extra profit?
To play devil's advocate, hosting the platform for social media isnt free, and if something, especially a service is offered for free, you are usually the product.
Then it becomes a game of convincing people to pay for more privacy, or sell privacy for a "free" service.
My issue isn't so much what they are doing with it, what the could do with it in the future. As of now, they're just trying to sell me shit I'm not going to buy, and influence my political and social views. I already avoid ads like the plague, and I'm pretty set on my politics.
What concerns me with this whole digital personality profile is that it wouldn't take much for bad actors to get their hands on this info, and use it to unequivocally screw me or my family. Force us to pay more for less on an individual level, deny opportunity, etc
tbh I'd rather pay like 5$/month for a good platform that respects my privacy than giving that away like we're doing right now
the problem is that that information is worth way more than $5/month/person
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I think most people are just overwhelmed most of the time and just want to live their lives and feel connected. There’s no immediate pain of giving up personal information just a vague threat of some future danger. We’re bad at caring about those types of things, generally speaking, just look at how we are handling climate change.
I read a lot of / am highly into cypherpunk ideology. I work hard to protect my privacy.
But I also have shitty bottom rung / entry level jobs. ALL of them use apps with atrocious privacy policies for group messaging and posting schedules.
A) I am a cashier. Why do you need to be able to reach me 24/7?
B) It makes all my effort trying to keep a minimal digital footprint moot when I am forced to share tons of personal info to register. And I am also required to get the app.
C) No corporate manager who also hates their job is trying to listen to my diatribe about why "WhatsApp" is evil.
I am seriously considering buying a prepaid flip phone and pretending that's my "real" phone for my next job. That's the only solution I can think of. But I just hate that it's a problem at every $10/ hour job.
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And that is NOT how pool water works.
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Inconveniencing yourself because you’re terrified of Facebook knowing your phone model lol
What we don't realize is the guy in the center drank a lot of Powerade, and is relieving himself in the lemonade pool.
I think a lot of people have an apathetic outlook towards privacy because they're cynical that anything they can do will have the desired effect. The belief that they can't possibly outsmart these data hungry corporations without putting in what they consider to be hard work is enough to sacrifice it.
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I agree so much, I got my own vpn on a private vps just to I can make sure there is no logging happening, so that I can live happy knowing that my data isn't being sold and my webteam workmates were like "What? Why? Have you got anything to hide?". No I don't I just don't want anything to listen in hugh...
But isn't that way worse in terms of privacy? Your IP stays the same, and if a request for your IP is made it is instantly your clear name. Also you traded your ISP for another ISP, what is the advantage?
Well although it is true that my IP is always the same to the vpn, I make sure there is no logging happening since the vps is setup completely from scratch with wireguard on OpenBSD. A bigger plus for me is that the VPS is in another country rather than the UK since I don't like the way ISPs here in England sell your information. I also have another VPS for interacting with work servers which only allow whitelisted IPs and my home IP is dynamic.
I hope you don't mind me asking, but isn't the point of no logging with VPNs that if there's a request for the user doing a network request not being able to answer because it wasn't stored? With your VPS it's your derver, so the request wouldn't even be made because it's obvious its network requests are yours
I often wonder if this is some sort of lack of self worth thing. Like, people don't see their data as important because they don't see themselves as important in the grand scheme of things? Do they thing one person isn't gonna change anything?
I get algorithms and shit are designed to be addicted and keep you coming back, but is there a deeper part to this?
Or am I just the crazy one? Does all of this not matter? I mean, I know it doesn't, in the grand scheme nothing matters. But at this time in space does it matter? My friends enjoy TikTok and Facebook and Twitter and whatever else they use. I do end up being the crazed loser? Is the pool full of piss and I'm in water? Or is it a lemonade pool and I'm full of Powerade piss
Nope. It's just a convince thing. They aren't aware what can be done with their data and when they are aware they think "there are millions of people using it so why should MY data be that interesting"
If people are given a choice, they almost always will decline if it's as convenient as accepting.
I've told various people over the years how easy it is to move away from tracking and how valuable their data is. They don't care. Which makes me thing it's something else at least in part
The problem is: it's not easy. It's easy for you because you're used to it. Most people are not interested in technology at all.
So maybe start with small things that actually improve the experience. Instead of asking "do you want to get away from trackers" ask "do you never want to see ads in your life ever again". Then show them how to install an ad blocker.
Don't try to talk about everything at once. You also don't try to teach advanced chemistry someone who has absolutely no idea and interest in Chemistry. You have to teach them small steps at a time and make it sound intresting and easy.
And it's not easy when you tell them "it's easy. You just have to install this, this and this and have to change your whole habit of using your devices by using a different browser and learn a different client for apps. Oh, and most of them aren't available on the play store and give a warning when you want to install them."
You have to make them care about their data, you have to make them care about what you tell them. And that's the hard part