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thanks for the input on the last post, next time i'll make an actually interpretable one in like a year or something, or next time reddit fucks up

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I first was surprised, but then I realized that non-blahaj-zone people can also take part in the community.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm a straight cis guy and I like the memes posted in this community. They are 99% wholesome and just asking for acceptance in meme format, which is nice.

Seems like feddit.de shows a lot of Blahaj stuff and that's good.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Yup, I also got quite some blahaj stuff on feddit.de

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

There are many of us!

I just like to chill.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Straight, cis guy here. I made my account on blahaj.zone because it hosted 196, and I enjoyed 196 on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly, why? I don't think you can't be straight to subscribe to blahaj.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

yeah it's for queer folk and allies, that's how they describe themselves

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

That’s pretty gay.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

196 reveal you, the reader, has been gay all along

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but what about OP? is OP gay?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm questioning being either lesbian or bi, probably am the latter

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As a cis, heteronormative male, I appreciate this community. I'm not trans, but I relate. I have dreams that I'm a woman, I read nothing but girl love manga, every drawing or painting of myself I've done I'm a woman, I'm migrating from windows to Linux, everyone I used to tour with back in the day is trans.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holup

Are you sure you're cis? I mean... you're switching to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I tried, but my preferred distro (vanilla os) had some catastrophic installation issues, and I reinstalled Windows on my main a couple weeks ago out of frustration.

I think this means I'm back in the closet?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

thats really unfortunate, could you explain these installation issues further (i fucking love convincing people to use linux)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a really excellent pastebin! I sort of posted my comment facetiously (I present as cis, but I identify as nonbinary.)

But, it's not totally untrue. I've been asked by trans friends, "when are you going to come out?" too many times not to wonder if I am somehow deep, deep in the closet.

If I could, I would be both, and change appearance at will. I know some of this is that non binary part of me, and some of this is simply that I find women attractive. I'm the sort of obsessive person who wants to become whatever I find interesting. It's rooted somewhat in objectivication, not so much personal validation.

I don't really feel dysphoric with my body, but I'd love that button.

So I'll continue to lurk, and maybe one day I'll realize I was in the closet all along!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh cool! That's like, gender fluid, adrogynous I think? Non binary describes a whole array of genders, like its an awfully huge tent. But the labels are just there for fun or if you find them helpful. I think a large portion of trans people have similar obsessions 😅 For many many trans people, Euphoria is a better indicator than Dysphoria. What makes you happy, and giddy and excited? It's not closeted to understand yourself as a non binary gender, but it might be closeted to present as if that identity isn't present at all. I'd be hypocritical to be purist about this. I'm a trans female, but I present as... Sort of (gender) queer? You can tell I'm a bit fruity, but would not likely assume I'm trying to present as female.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hmmmmm. What kind of socks do you wear?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

almost 1000 responses :O really cool to see so many people here

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

yeah for real

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How much percent is straight AND cis?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on the data, something between 0% and 43% 😎

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be more precise, its between 1.7% and 43.3% :)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

im genuinely hopeless at maths so i couldnt answer that unfortunately

but if your reading this and you aren't, please tell us https://strawpoll.com/1MnwOW2G5n7/results

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think it's possible to answer that with this data actually

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You'd need an excel spreadsheet with all responses if this was multi-choice and strawpoll saves responses like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True, you would need a page with the listed results sorted by participant. Quite easy to calculate if you have that tho.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It kinda is. 341 identify as straight. 525 identify as cis. 341/525 = ~65% of respondents who identify as cis are both cis and straight. Out of all those who responded, approximately 18.5% of respondents are both cis AND straight.

We don't have the fine detail, but this is enough for a rough estimate.

Edit: is everyone happy now?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can't do it this way. It would work if we would know that everyone who is straight also identifies as being cis, but that's obviously not the case.

Also the way you calculated it would be 65% of people who identify as straight under the condition that a person is straight. Not 65% of respondents.

But again, that's assuming that everyone who is straight is cis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't have the fine detail, but this is enough for a rough estimate.

That's all this is...a rough estimate. If we knew more details, we could refine that estimate. But then things get muddy when you consider what a "straight" relationship means to a cis person when only one person in the relationship is cis. So it comes down to what you want. Do you want a rough idea of the ratio, or do you want to get bogged down in the details and debate about what should be included?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But what you calculated isn't even possible. You calculated that more people are cis and straight than there are cis people. That alone is enough to disprove you.

Also the way you calculated it would be 65% of people who identify as straight under the condition that a person is straight. Not 65% of respondents.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry, but WTF is this math. Cis people, regardless of sexual orientation, are less than 65% of respondents. Straight people, regardless of gender identity, are also less than 65%. How come people who are both at the same time would be more? You are saying that e.g. cis straight people are more than straight people in total.

What your math gives is what share of cis people are straight, if we assume that all straight people are cis.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is a lot wrong with that math

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then please...enlighten me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Other people have already said a lot, but I'll fill in some more of the calculations. So, according to the poll, we only know that

P(Cis) = 0.28

and

P(Straight) = 0.19

Now, what we are looking after is P(Cis ∧ Straight). Since we don't know if cis people on this sub are more or less likely to be straight, there's no way to calculate this without making assumptions, but generally in statistics for a rough estimate we can assume statistical independence. In that case we get

P(Cis ∧ Straight) = P(Cis) * P(Straight) = 0.28 * 0.19 = 0.06

which would mean about 6% of people are cis and straight. That is probably underestimating it, because it is pretty likely that cis people are more likely to be straight, but from this data, there is no way to know.

Now, to what you calculated: instead of writing it in absolutes, you can rewrite it in probabilities:

P(Straight) / P(Cis)

In and of itself this gives us no information. But again, if we assume this time that all straight people are cis, which is a steeper assumption, we get the conditional probability:

P(Straight) / P(Cis) = P(Cis ∧ Straight) / P(Cis) = P(Straight | Cis) = 0.65

This gives us that assuming all straight people are cis, if you meet someone who is cis, there's a 65% chance they are also straight. Which is interesting, but not what we're looking for

wow, that turned out a bunch of nerd shit, what I actually meant to say was

:3

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Based on these numbers alone, anywhere from 0 to 341 respondents could be both straight and cis

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not possible to answer that precisely with the data available, but we can make an estimate.

43.3% of respondents are straight. 58.4% are cisgender. If we assume there's no correlation between being straight and being cis, then 43.3% of cis people will also be straight. That gives us 43.3% × 58.4% = 25.3% of respondents being both cis and straight. 25.3% of 950 is 240 people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So uhh, just for fun I calculated it through with every branch of the tree and drew it. It's off by 00,01% so the total of everything combined is 99,99%

signal-2023-09-25-21-19-30-627

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just to clarify for others: "no correlation" means that they are not related to each other.

So we're calculating the probability of us picking a random person that is both cis and straight. This means the probability always stays the same since it doesnt depend on any other probability

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So im a little out of the loop here, n the info doent help, what exactly is this community? And what is 196 in reference to?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

195 was a social experiment on Reddit with the only rule being you have to post before you go. Originally done as a college project the subreddit was shut down when the creators graduated. 196 grew from the grave of 195 with the same rules. Eventually reddit did a fuck up tho and 196 moved here.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

im doing my part

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This place is hella queer

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