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Like an estimated two-thirds of the world’s population, I don’t digest lactose well, which makes the occasional latte an especially pricey proposition. So it was a pleasant surprise when, shortly after moving to San Francisco, I ordered a drink at Blue Bottle Coffee and didn’t have to ask—or pay extra—for a milk alternative. Since 2022, the once Oakland-based, now Nestlé-owned cafe chain has defaulted to oat milk, both to cut carbon emissions and because lots of its affluent-tending customers were already choosing it as their go-to.

Plant-based milks, a multibillion-dollar global market, aren’t just good for the lactose intolerant: They’re also better for the climate. Dairy cows belch a lot of methane, a greenhouse gas 25 times more potent than carbon dioxide; they contribute at least 7 percent of US methane output, the equivalent emissions of 10 million cars. Cattle need a lot of room to graze, too: Plant-based milks use about a tenth as much land to produce the same quantity of milk. And it takes almost a thousand gallons of water to manufacture a gallon of dairy milk—four times the water cost of alt-milk from oats or soy.

But if climate concerns push us toward the alt-milk aisle, dairy still has price on its side. Even though plant-based milks are generally much less resource-intensive, they’re often more expensive. Walk into any Starbucks, and you’ll likely pay around 70 cents extra for nondairy options.

. Dairy’s affordability edge, explains María Mascaraque, an analyst at market research firm Euromonitor International, relies on the industry’s ability to produce “at larger volumes, which drives down the cost per carton.” American demand for milk alternatives, though expected to grow by 10 percent a year through 2030, can’t beat those economies of scale. (Globally, alt-milks aren’t new on the scene—coconut milk is even mentioned in the Sanskrit epic Mahābhārata, which is thousands of years old.)

What else contributes to cow milk’s dominance? Dairy farmers are “political favorites,” says Daniel Sumner, a University of California, Davis, agricultural economist. In addition to support like the “Dairy Checkoff,” a joint government-industry program to promote milk products (including the “Got Milk?” campaign), they’ve long raked in direct subsidies currently worth around $1 billion a year.

Big Milk fights hard to maintain those benefits, spending more than $7 million a year on lobbying. That might help explain why the US Department of Agriculture has talked around the climate virtues of meat and dairy alternatives, refusing to factor sustainability into its dietary guidelines—and why it has featured content, such as a 2013 article by then–Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, trumpeting the dairy industry as “leading the way in sustainable innovation.”

But the USDA doesn’t directly support plant-based milk. It does subsidize some alt-milk ingredients—soybean producers, like dairy, net close to $1 billion a year on average, but that crop largely goes to feeding meat- and dairy-producing livestock and extracting oil. A 2021 report by industry analysts Mintec Limited and Frost Procurement Adventurer also notes that, while the inputs for dairy (such as cattle feed) for dairy are a little more expensive than typical plant-milk ingredients, plant alternatives face higher manufacturing costs. Alt-milk makers, Sumner says, may also have thinner profit margins: Their “strategy for growth is advertisement and promotion and publicity,” which isn’t cheap.

Starbucks, though, does benefit from economies of scale. In Europe, the company is slowly dropping premiums for alt-milks, a move it attributes to wanting to lower corporate emissions. “Market-level conditions allow us to move more quickly” than other companies, a spokesperson for the coffee giant told me, but didn’t say if or when the price drop would happen elsewhere.

In the United States, meanwhile, it’s a waiting game to see whether the government or corporations drive down alt-milk costs. Currently, Sumner says, plant-based milk producers operate under an assumption that “price isn’t the main thing” for their buyers—as long as enough privileged consumers will pay up, alt-milk can fill a premium niche. But it’s going to take a bigger market than that to make real progress in curbing emissions from food.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like an estimated two-thirds of the world’s population, I don’t digest lactose well, which makes the occasional latte an especially pricey proposition.

Bring that complain to the producers of "oat milk" and similar products. Producing a gallon of oat milk has ingredience costs of about 20ct. You know what you are paying for it in the supermarket. Go figure who gets rich on people who are looking for "alternatives".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

They meant "pricey" as in going to the bathroom a lot more than usual

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Producing a gallon of oat milk has ingredience costs of about 20ct

To them, in bulk. Making your own oat milk is about an 80% savings over retail cost (about $0.50-$1/gallon), about the same as the money saved making your own yogurt.

This isn't about rich people getting richer specifically on plant-based milks. There's just several levels of markups. Oat Milk company passes on a markup on the oats they purchase, then they pass another markup to the wholesaler. Then the wholesaler passes a markup to the retailer. Than the retailer passes a markup that averages around 30% but generally goes from 15% to 75%, usually larger markups for products that sell slower to justify their investment in them.

This is arguably why capitalism is failing us, but nothing is unique about it with Oat Milk. Right now, milk cost of production is high (enough that farmers are losing money), but that's temporary and wholesalers have the leverage to pay prices that are below cost (which is why farmers are losing money). Then, there's one fewer step in markups.

So let's say your 20c figure is right (it's not. Oat prices are fairly high right now). They're paying more like 30-40c for the ingredients, then they sell it to wholesalers for over $1/gal (which is arguably justified, which is already in range of the $1.50/gal farm milk costs hit. Then, yes, wholesalers and retailers each mark oat milk up a bit higher because it moves slower.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First: The 20ct figure is quite on the spot, actually, your recipe uses far more oat than the industry uses, and the 20ct figure even includes vegetable oil (to make ich more creamy) and chemicals (to bind fat and water based ingredients). On the other hand, I wonder where you $1/gal comes from - that would be dirt cheap in comparison to the prices I see in the supermarket.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

First: The 20ct figure is quite on the spot, actually, your recipe uses far more oat than the industry uses

Fair enough, though I cannot seem to find solid figures anywhere. Obviously it's cheaper to make than almond milk, and they retail around the same... But I still dug into number using the $0.20 figure.

On the other hand, I wonder where you $1/gal comes from - that would be dirt cheap in comparison to the prices I see in the supermarket.

That came from the cost per gallon of oat milk being paid by the wholesalers to the manufacturers. Often, supermarkets and other retailers do not purchase directly from manufacturer, but from a wholesaler or distributor. Note also the $1.50 figure farmers are paid by wholesalers. I live in a region with dairy farms and we're paying 3-4x that number by the time it hits the grocery store register.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One thing nobody has commented on - how that article slips in a seemingly positive mention of Nestlé (they own the cafe that uses plant milks). That raised my eyebrows.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

I see soy/oat/rice milk as their own thing, instead of a direct cow milk substitute/replacement.

There are many, many dairy product that are important as food or ingredients to other foods such as butter, yogurt, ice cream, cream, infant formula, and various cheeses that cannot be replaced directly by plant based alternatives.

And also, if you don't like milk, try getting one of those unhomoginized milk in glass bottles that's usually directly bottled by local farms. You have to shake a lot to get the cream on top dissolved again, but there is nothing that's quite like an ice cold cup of that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As someone who lives entirely on plants, those ingredients are all easily replaced. Everything cow tit juice can do, plants can do better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah that's just not true. You need milk for baking, vegan bakeries are shit. Milk/Cream is also very important for creamy soups and sauces

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because lots of people in your country drink it, like it, and even more eat things made from it. Like cheese.

"Two thirds of people can't tolerate lactose" is utterly fucking meaningless in this context. Most of those are in Asia. Last I checked, it was countries giving out subsidies, not some nebulous world council.

And nearly all farming gets subsidised, because that reduces reliance on external countries. You've seen what capitalism did to housing. You don't want that to happen to food.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Americans are at 36% lactose intolerant. Which is surprisingly, to me anyways, high.

And should corn and cattle get the bulk of the subsidies? If it's about food alone, maybe not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Like an estimated two-thirds of the world’s population, I don’t digest lactose well,

That number, like all world population numbers is heavily skewed by just how many people are in China. The mutation that causes adults to continue to produce the enzyme to digest lactose is less common among those of Asian descent.

(Globally, alt-milks aren’t new on the scene—coconut milk is even mentioned in the Sanskrit epic Mahābhārata, which is thousands of years old.)

...and there are medieval European recipes that call for almond milk, and tofu is made from soy milk and there are written sources referencing it roughly a thousand years old. You're right, none of these are really new on the scene, aside from maybe oat milk.

A 2021 report by industry analysts Mintec Limited and Frost Procurement Adventurer also notes that, while the inputs for dairy (such as cattle feed) for dairy are a little more expensive than typical plant-milk ingredients, plant alternatives face higher manufacturing costs.

I feel like your first paragraph completely ignored this aspect. You squeeze milk out of a cow. Nut and bean milks require grinding the stuff up with a lot of water, mixing it thoroughly, then squeezing the wet pulp through a fine filter (for small batches something like a cheesecloth) to separate the milk from the pulp.

Commercial oat milk requires further processing, because just pulping, mixing with water and straining oats does not produce anything appetizing at all.

In the United States, meanwhile, it’s a waiting game to see whether the government or corporations drive down alt-milk costs. Currently, Sumner says, plant-based milk producers operate under an assumption that “price isn’t the main thing” for their buyers—as long as enough privileged consumers will pay up, alt-milk can fill a premium niche. But it’s going to take a bigger market than that to make real progress in curbing emissions from food.

That's not a bad assumption on their part - people who are deeply concerned with the emissions involved in producing their food tend to be richer, in no small part because poor folks are going to put price first, because they have to think about how food fits into their budget more.

Also cheese - you can't make cheese from plant milks. Well, you can try, but that's basically how you make tofu, and performing a similar process on other plant milks creates something closer to tofu than cheese.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (24 children)

Are there actual studies showing that plant-based alternatives are better for health (for individuals that digest lactose just fine like me) ?

I switched to alt-milks for ecological reason but media keep talking about the negative health effects of «ultra-transformed food», which alt-milk very much sounds like...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I don't see why dairy should be subsidized but some plant milks aren't exactly environmentally friendly either. The best can be said is they're better than dairy, assuming the same land could be used for both. But they can be devastating in their own right. E.g. to grow 1 almond (i.e. one kernel) takes over 3 gallons of water. Other crops used to make milk like oats have lower water consumption.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The almond example is frequently brought up, but this is still half of what dairy milk requires, without taking into account the difference in land use too

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Oat milk > Almond milk. Almond milk has a weird and bitter taste to it, oat milk doesn't.

I also like the coconut water with rice drinks, but they hardly classify as milk even tho some brands may claim it's a milk alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Except almonds. Almonds are terrible water wasters, and mostly grown in California where they can least afford the water.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Almond is the worst of the nut milks, but it's STILL way better for the environment than dairy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Still more efficient on resource utilization than animal agriculture. If you hate almond milk for that reason, you should want the dairy industry completely abolished.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t want it gone but I don’t want it subsidized. I’m not planning on being vegan but I’m cutting out a ton of animal protein from my life. I make it a special thing.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Probably because everyone tried only the shittiest alt-malks, assume they are all bad, and somehow don't get heartburn and diarrhea and gunky mouth and throat feel from cow milk. I save all my lactose intolerance suffering for cheese and ice cream.

Seriously though it's the same as people that say only bad things about tofu but have only eaten white American 'recipes' that genuinely suck. Meanwhile Asians happily inhaling literal tons of it prepared in actually good meals. Try making bread from scratch without salt (or salty ingredients) and that's what tofu foods for the white market remind me of.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because milking nuts is hard. Their teats are so small!

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