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My 9yo daughter has a tablet with family link, so I can monitor what apps she wants to install. As the garbage games are mostly at the top free, she keeps asking for games that I reject, in most cases because it's riddled with ads.

The Play Store has a section for kids, which seems to have better quality apps and games. Also thinking to subscribe to Play Pass so she can try out paid games.

Any other tips? Especially how to find good free / paid games. I don't mind paying for good games.

Also I'm aware I can block ads using eg Pi Hole (already doing that) or sometimes putting it on airplane mode, but that's not my point. I want to find and support quality games.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When my kid was younger he had a "garbage games on tablet" phase as well. As others have said, paid games are the way to go (Play Pass sounds cool). Looking for indie games for Android, or PC games ported to Android gives some good results. Stardew Valley’s an obvious one. I haven’t played Ordia, but it looks gorgeous.

What worked really well for us was to teach him about some dark patterns in simple terms and spot them with him in the freemiums he was playing. "Fear of Missing Out" events/notifications and "Progression Paywalls" are typical ones. It made him realize the game wasn’t built to give him a good time as much as to frustrate him into endlessly spending real money in exchange for some phony currency. In the end he was happy to switch to saner games. It’s a good opportunity to work on their critical judgment basically.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for your insights. My goal as well is to teach them instead of just refusing those games. She already starts to understand better.

SV was a favourite but we've played it a lot already and we have lost interest. Will look into Ordia!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I agree, open source games are designed with fun in mind instead of attention grabbing garbage and ads.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks, that's a good idea!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

get them an offline console

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Install an emulator for her alongside with some roms. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only option we have nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, hadn't thought about that. Will read more about it!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Lemuroid is a great open source emulator. Vimm's Lair is a great place to find games/ROMs. It's difficult to play games though that require the bumper buttons on a touch screen. Maybe consider getting her a retro gaming handheld device. They can either run based on Linux, so an emulator, or Android which can operate like normal and then you can select an emulator to play. ETA Prime has lots of reviews of these devices.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Awesome, thanks! I've tried retro gaming before but they didn't really like it, we also had a Wii for a couple of weeks, but perhaps I should try again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm doing some scraping on the playstore, there is few stuff that has no ads nor in app purchases

I posted a few here on https://lemmy.fbmac.net/c/free_android_games

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've made it a link that works from all instances : /c/free_[email protected] thanks!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Love it! Subscribed

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My 9yo daughter has a tablet with family link, so I can monitor what apps she wants to install. As the garbage games are mostly at the top free, she keeps asking for games that I reject, in most cases because it's riddled with ads.

Did you ever consider using this as opportunity to educate your daughter about ads in general, how some games try to push adds to get you to do something, and also how some games have game mechanics trying to push you to do specific things, and then just let her figure out if those games are worth playing, or not?

She's definitely old enough - I had that discussion with my daughter when she was 5, we have an agreement that we limit the number of games installed on her phone - and the kind of shitty game you're talking about typically gets uninstalled again pretty quickly.

In a few years she'll be able to install stuff by herself - if you never explained to her what and why games/apps are doing she'll not be ready to deal with that, and it'll be out of your control.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the insights. Totally agree with you. Yep, I'm having those conversations and she understands it more and more.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ahh... I remember simpler times when we had proper handheld devices... and not having to deal with ads bullshit (shovelware was a thing though).

Perhaps the Nintendo Switch might be a good option down the road?

If not I agree about Chinese handhelds, there are so many out there and they keep improving over time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah was thinking about a switch, but I'm a bit reluctant due to high cost of games. They mainly use the tablet to game while traveling, at home they play with their toys or on the xbox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Maybe steam deck could be an alternative? Hardware itself is more expensive, but there's so much good cheap or even free games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

One thing you might need to pay attention to is your daughter would want to play the same game as their friends do.

You may want to reject games base on your criteria, but if your daughter feels isolated because she can't play with her friends, that could be a bigger problem.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

https://www.darkpattern.games/

I have not extensively used this site but it seems to have some good pointers

So maybe check with them there first, then install

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I loved that this one explain each of these dark patterns too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks, interesting site! Bookmarked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's an app called mini review that has reviews for games you can browse through there but not sure if there is a kids section but it's helpful to filter out as heavy games.

I'll never forget my friends kid being upset on our camping trip while we waited in the car in a store run saying how he has no wifi out there so he can't watch his ads for coins

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

This is also great because you can filter out games with ads and microtransactions. See https://minireview.io/browse?monetization-android=no-ads+no-iap&monetization-ios=no-iap

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Private DNS server. Blocks most ads even in games.

Here's what I posted in another thread:

Private DNS FTW!

dns.adguard.com

On Android:

  1. Swipe down and select settings (the gear)
  2. Search for: DNS
  3. Select Private DNS.
  4. Select Private DNS again.
  5. Select Private DNS provider hostname.
  6. Enter: dns.adguard.com
  7. Select Save
  8. Enjoy most ads being blocked in apps.
  9. Might work poorly on public wifi (Walmart wifi for example doesn't work with a private DNS set).

On Apple:

  1. Fuck if I know.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Mullvad DNS works well for this too: https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls/

Using DoH (DNS over HTTPS) means it should work on networks that try to block usage of private DNS servers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, I already have set up pi hole. See the last paragraph in my post as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My bad. I did miss that final paragraph but hopefully the private DNS can help someone else. Cheers!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It helped me a lot! I already knew about adguard but didn't know how to set it up. You explained it in such simple words, bravo

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Emulation, geometry dash, Minecraft.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Spelltower is a classic. Still might have ads but they're less intrusive, and it's educational but it probably won't be boring

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Shattered pixel dungeon" is a rouge-like top down rpg with no ads and is quite fun. You can only pay if you choose to support the dev.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As much as I like that game, the learning curve is steep af! Unless the little one handles frustration well, it will be a hard sell.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Play pass is a fantastic idea, made me discover a lot of awesome small little experiences

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Netflix offers free Android games with no ads too. If you have ad subscription it might work

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Sorry, no Netflix here. Thanks anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You could try installing gamesnacks.com as a pwa on their phone. They have a bunch of little games that I assume children would like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Emulation full stop Anything else is a waste of time or a risk to get your kids addicted

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I am on the exact same boat as you. 9yo daughter keeps asking to download a bunch of crap with in app purchases or ads. The problem is that there's so much crap for mobile. I almost never play anything on my phone, but her at her age and the current times of short attention span being bored for longer than a second seems.like a taboo, she needs to have stuff on her phone, even though we have a Switch at home with loads of good quality games.

It's just the way it is.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This guy (Nimble Thor) developed an app called Mini Review, I've used it frequently.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=minireview.best.android.games.reviews

Check him out on YT as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's cool. Downloaded! Thanks.

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