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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, so only two of the three branches of government are subject to checks and balances?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Well... yeah. Have you seen the shit those untouchable godkings have been getting away with?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In theory, a few of them should be impeached, tried, convicted, disbarred, removed, & jailed, since lying to Congress under oath is a federal offense I'm pretty sure.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The branch of government with lifetime appointment can't be regulated by anyone else?!? LOL

How convenient!

The only thing stopping that from happening now is that Democrats are too weak to push the issue.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Funny, the doctrine of judicial review doesn’t exist in the constitution either.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You're wrong Alito, Congress can definitely make rules and laws to regulate you. They have the explicit authority to do that.

"The court can be trusted to self-regulate"

That's bullshit. With your unethical bribes being accepted and the bullshit rulings you've been making have proven you're an incompetent corrupt court.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's right on the courts' info page

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/about

Although the Constitution establishes the Supreme Court, it permits Congress to decide how to organize it. Congress first exercised this power in the Judiciary Act of 1789. This Act created a Supreme Court with six justices.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, these people haven't even read the laws they're supposed to be deciding cases on. You expect him to read his own website too? The privilege.

/s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You used sarcasm. Samuel Alito might not have read actual law in years. He mostly writes about the current manufactured outrage from Fox News, and tries to shoehorn that into an opinion. He's gone off-topic a few times in recent years, trying to shove culture war bullshit into cases where they're only tangentially related.

It's called Fox News Brain. Your racist uncle and a sitting Justice of the Supreme Court both have it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean they haven't read the laws?

I think all of them were all good law students, law review editors, judicial clerks, and judges for some time, before being appointed. It's all law practice, it's all reading law. There can't be a fundamental concept of law they aren't well familiar with.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is they can also decide that isn't what that means, it's hilariously stupid to be able to do it but they can.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much all authority the Supreme Court has is power it has given itself. It's long overdue being reigned in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed, I posted this on another thread about the court

Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Smith Adams, September 11, 1804, "but the opinion [Marbury v Madison] which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature & executive also in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch."

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That had to do with size of the court.

Constitution says it's a lifetime appointment, though.

Can have all the rules you want, which the justices are free to ignore because the Constitution says it's a lifetime seat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And president terms are 4 years. Doesn't stop impeachment though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, Supreme Court justices cna be impeached. I think it has happened one time?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You just have to be creative. Pass a law saying holding a Supreme Court seat for more than 20 years is a capital crime.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That would be unconstitutional and ruled that way, too. The law cannot take away a thing guaranteed by the Constitution (the lifetime appointment).

There would need to be an impeachment or amendment. Or court-packing.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

But will congress enforce the rules? By enforce, I mean using the power of Impeachment and voting to convict under said Article(s) of Impeachment. Otherwise, any rules are pointless. A president can only be prosecuted after leaving office, how do prosecute a sitting supreme court justice who serves for life? Even if you did, they'd still be a sitting justice that can rule from prison since criminal conviction =/= impeachment conviction, and I'd imagine the case could go up to the very court that he/she sit in, and it only takes 4 of their collegues plus their own vote to overturn their own conviction.

In this political climate, it's practically impossible to convict a justice under the impeachment procedure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An impeachment is not a criminal trial, the Supreme Court would have no authority to make a decision in an impeachment.

Impeachment is purely a political tool to remove nefarious actors from the government. So an impeached justice would have his spot on the bench taken away, and then would be a regular citizen who can face trial and imprisonment like any other.

If they decide to ignore that rule, it’s literally the job the of the president to have them arrested and brought before congress to face their impeachment.

I would hope if the court tried to play that hand, congress would actually start using their authority and install a new court, but I trust congress to have a spine as much as I trust my 102 year old neighbor to mow his lawn.

But don’t worry, that would be like the 3rd constitutional crisis we’ve had in 5 years. They’re getting kind of boring now anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The GOP would never give up their own. They proved that with Trump. Trump would have been impeached had McConnell not gone to Trump's lawyers and told them what they needed to say after the first day of the trial. The Senate left the first day with the mindset of he has to go. McConnell told Trump's lawyer that even most R Senators were going to impeach him unless the lawyer did exactly this.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We the people made up the rules and we can change them in any way we want. If the supreme Court has some kind of magic that stops that they are free to deploy that but in the meantime we can assume that they are flesh bags like the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

He means absent a Constitutional amendment. And he's correct.

Congress authority is limited to saying what type of cases the court can take and how many justices there are.

Constitution says they are lifetime appointments. Can't really attach rules to that. Even if they break the rules, they are still lifetime appointments.

Only way out is death, retirement, or impeachment. I think only one justice was ever impeached.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Congress can impeach Alito and remove him from the bench. So, yes, they have some major muscle to flex. Unfortunately, the GOP is so corrupt, they wouldn't impeach Alito for for shooting a random stranger on 5th ave and having sex with their corpse., in broad daylight, on live TV.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the only thing the constitution says about it is "there shall be a supreme court."

Regardless, the constitution was created to be amended, and it's the states that vote on those. You know. That whole democracy thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but at this point trying to amend the constitution is a dangerous prospect when we have a very large group trying to push the country into a fascist theocracy.

Not to mention that getting enough states to agree on anything is impossible now.

You could try to put in one that bans the government from raping puppies to death and the GOP would oppose it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I believe the proposals being floated right now are for instituting term limits by having justices retire to Senior Justice status after a set number of years. They'd still be technically appointed and able to sit in on cases in special circumstances, but not on normal duty.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Well someone better regulate their silly asses cuz what they're doing now is throwing civil rights back to Jim crow.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

scotus rulings only apply to the underclasses, like democrats, black people, queer people and other communists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No balances, only cheques I suppose

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Haha. Yes. Basically they want to stay kings and Queens.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do believe they have entered Fuck Around and Find Out territory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

SCOTUS won't be able to do shit against a determined president. They're the most powerful branch now, but only one branch has direct access to an enforcement arm, and it isn't SCOTUS.

They better tread carefully. People are only going to become more extreme the more they continue dictating from the bench for the wealthy and corporations. They could be completely neutered as an institution.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Expand and term-limit SCOTUS. This system is ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In that case, he should waive any protections he gets from congress' laws.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So the constitution gave SCOTUS the authority to regulate women's bodies?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"The court has investigated the court and found no wrongdoing on the part of the court"

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