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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

With its increased leverage in this round, Hamas is likely to push harder for concessions on key issues, such as easing the blockade and winning the release of prisoners held by Israel.

What idiot wrote this? What leverage does Hamas have? They will be destroyed in this war.

EDIT: Israel has officially decided to destroy Hamas for good. Article in hebrew: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bjso00d111t

Use google translate to read in English, sadly the direct link to translation does not work

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Seriously, this person has no clue. They're talking about this like it's more of the same old conflict we are all used to. This is of a completely different character than anything we have seen. There will be no concessions, no ceasefire. Israel is fucking mad. And when they get mad they seriously fuck up whoever they are mad at in a very efficient and indisputable fashion. They might offer a ceasefire after they've exacted a very high cost in retaliation. The Gaza strip is royally fucked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

EDIT: Israel has officially decided to destroy Hamas for good.

Fun fact, if the GWOT taught us anything, it's that you can't eradicate an ideology through military force unless you do a genocide. Funner fact, Israel has been doing a slow genocide for a while and this is the excuse they have to speed the process up.

Hamas has huge support in palestine, killing them will result in (more) civilian deaths and increase support further.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"unprecedented"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not a thing about this conflict is unprecedented.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

When was the last time so many people died in a day? Or so many attackers crossed the border? Launched 5000 missiles? Kidnapped so many? These are all rather uncommon events; hence 'unprecedented'.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was preceded by something? Wut?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

About 3000 years of constant bloodshed and conquering.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The territory that they invaded was previously Palestine, does anyone know how long ago?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

This article has the maps showing the territory and who controlled it during certain time periods.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Hamas claimed its fighters took several Israelis captive in the enclave, releasing gruesome videos of militants dragging bloodied soldiers across the ground and standing over dead bodies, some of them stripped to their underwear.

Hamas officials cited long-simmering sources of tension between Israel and the Palestinians, including the dispute around the sensitive Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, which is is sacred to both Muslims and Jews and remains at the emotional heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In negotiations with Qatar, Egypt and the United Nations, Hamas has pushed for Israeli concessions that could loosen the 17-year blockade on the enclave and help halt a worsening financial crisis that has sharpened public criticism of its rule.

The eruption of violence comes at a difficult time for Israel, which is facing the biggest protests in its history over Netanyahu’s proposal to weaken the Supreme Court while he is on trial for corruption.

Israel and Hamas have fought four wars and exchanged fire numerous times since the Islamic militant group seized control of Gaza from forces loyal to the Palestinian Authority in 2007.

With its increased leverage in this round, Hamas is likely to push harder for concessions on key issues, such as easing the blockade and winning the release of prisoners held by Israel.


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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

With its increased leverage in this round, Hamas is likely to push harder for concessions on key issues

Seems like they just threw away whatever leverage they had by “taking the low road”. Who’s going to listen to them now? Who’s going to agree to any of their demands?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The eruption of violence comes at a difficult time for Israel, which is facing the biggest protests in its history over Netanyahu’s proposal to weaken the Supreme Court while he is on trial for corruption.

The sentence that launched 1,000 podcasts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Since Palestine has bitten back after decades of abuse and thousands of people killed, wiping them off the map is completely and utterly justified now! Three cheers for israel!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I'm not usually a both sides guy, but...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

the dispute around the sensitive Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, which is is sacred to both Muslims and Jews and remains at the emotional heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

These two groups can't stop fighting because of compounds that are sacred to both. Maybe you can take it away from both of them like children that can't play nice with their toys, you take the toy away.

Blow this mosque up. Let them rebuild half of the property for Jewish, half for Muslim people or better yet build a community center aimed at joint Muslim Jewish peace.