Hexbear and .ml covering their ears and yelling "lalalalala"
this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2023
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Nah, Hexbear is cheering the genocide on. They're mask-off at this point.
I don't understand, are the people on these servers kremlin bots or are they really that stupid?
They make it thier whole identity
I think they are just trolls. Hexbear has a community called "The Dunk Tank" where they proudly announce when they successfully "dunked" on someone, also known as arguing in bad faith with prejudicial hostility and no will to listen until the other side gives up and leaves. They mark that as a win in their book and applaud to it.
It's like they're completely new to the internet. Who does this anymore?
I found this offensive. Not all people on my instance think what you think.
lemm.ee have "no bigotry" rule, but why offend other instances is okay?
If you think the reputation doesn't apply to you, personally, then it's trivial to move to a different Lemmy server. It's not some immutable characteristic of your being.
I registered on this server 2 years ago and I should move to another server because some people think that this server is for people who support Russia? It's bullshit. It was a leftist server some time ago, but now it's a general purpose server. Also leftists != support Russia.
Anyway, we shouldn't go in comments and say that people from X are jerks.
I'm pretty sure they would say that ukraine shouldn't exsist anyway because the US propaganda is taking over them or whatever.
HEY, don't forget lemmygrad!
lemee speedrunning defederation
Ohmygod one person said something about me. Quick defed from the entire instance!!
Nah it's been nearly constantly and consistently bad quality posts and toxicity from that instance.
Russia has all the power - they can end the war as soon as they pull their shitbirds out of Ukraine & Crimea.
And hell, get the fuck out of Georgia while we're discussing. Go home, sign up for a 12 step program and figure out your fucking lives while awaiting the warcrimes charges.
Appeasement will only strengthen Russia.
Slava Palestine!
Don’t bring these dumb analogies to this conflict. While Israel definitely acts towards Palestine the way Russia acts towards its former colonies, Hamas itself acts like Russian backed “people’s republic”.
This will lead to radicalization of Israel’s politics. The date was chosen to have the maximum chance of shutting down any positive resolution around Palestine.
In other words, this is not an attempt to free Palestine, it’s an attempt to set the world on fire.
To be honest I don't give a fuck either way. We are going to have the WW3 in a decade at the most. China is preparing to become sanction proof taking notes from Russian fuck ups and dumping US dollars and bringing back anything and everything they can to the mainland. Taiwan will be the new Poland!
And if the US continue to act like they are in control we all gonna wake up to a ruined world thanks to this pissing contest between 3 counties while we are part any of them.
What gives any arbitrary country a mandate to exist though? We recognize that plenty of other social institutions are transient. Nobody demanded a massive international intervention to continue the existence of the Whig Party or the Studebaker Corporation. Why are countries unique and special? Also, this seems like a very modern thing: nobody is demanding we bring back Tanganyika or unwind German unification.
I get the desire to preserve the Ukranian culture and community. But you don't need a sovereign nation for that: compare the re-establishment of the Welsh language and culture, for example.
Would the population have been better off-- at least in the "not exploded" sense-- by backing down with a quick surrender in exchange for some "we'll formally tolerate your cultural differences" legal concessions? I'm sure at this point, it's impractical to negotiate to that, because there's too much bloodshed and burnt bridges on both sides, but it seemed like it was never even on the table: the Western world decided an independent Ukraine had to exist even if everyone involved knew it was going to be a very painful and expensive endeavour to keep it.
... Ukraine decided an independent Ukraine had to exist. They voted for independence in 1991, with over 90% in favor. Ukrainian relations with Russia soured after Russia decided to invade and annex part of Ukraine that they had formerly promised to respect the sovereignity of. Russia is an oligarchy with no controls on the behavior of its leader, who has openly signaled that he believes that Ukrainians are just a kind of inferior Russian who need to be taught their place. The West offered the Ukrainian president refuge. The Ukrainian president refused and chose to stay in his country. Hundreds of men and women sacrificed themselves in the opening days of the invasion to buy their country time to resist. Millions have volunteered.
What deal, exactly, do you expect to be made in that situation? In what way was any of that the West's decision?
Take a step back, and rethink your approach to this. Ukrainians are capable of making their own decisions.
The West chose to make the "fight for your survival" play look more viable. If other countries send enough tanks/planes/missiles, perhaps Russia can be pushed back in a matter of a few months without huge loss of territory.
Conversely, if Ukraine was left to their own military and financial resources-- no sanctions to hamstring Russia, no sweetheart deals on equipment-- they could spend a few weeks burning through what they had, and then perhaps degrading to a years-long insurgency situation akin to Afghanistan. The best story you can sell is "We're going to have years of violence and misery, and if we're really lucky, our occupiers will decide we're too much hassle and expense and leave on their own accord." With that alternative, maybe a brokered deal would look more compelling.
... so your argument is that, hopefully, and this is an insane hope, that if Ukraine was unable to resist militarily at the outset of the invasion, that they MIGHT decide a protracted war was more trouble than survival was worth, and submit to a negotiated genocide?
I don't know why point is he even making. He's looking like a total evil jackass and has only proven that either he loves to troll, is actually trying to make tankies look like homicidal maniacs (they don't need any help) or is actually evil lol!
Do you want to go back to constant wars?
Recognizing countries has been a great way to stop invasions. The borders we drew might not have been perfect, but the peace generated is worthwhile
I think for the war to end some kind of terms of peace need to be drafted and ratified by the involved parties.
It now comes down to how much war is required to achieve such a thing.
Anti war positions tend to recognize the meat grinder of conscripts is an unnecessary step and promote minimizing the amount of time it needs to run.
But I am sure there are people expecting or even outright demanding the total capitulation of a nation at war, which is a particularly brutal position to take.
This isn't going to change anyone's mind. The pro-Russia folk believe that Ukraine as a nation never existed in the first place, so they are fine with below option. The top one is just wishful thinking - why would they stop fighting? They stand nothing to gain from this and they'd lose everything they fought so hard to gain.
I'll get down-voted yet again, but I'll keep saying this: If you care about Ukraine - join the war, send in the troops. Otherwise - shut the fuck up. Spamming the flag everywhere does not help. Sending weapons doesn't really turn the tides either. Cheering Ukrainian soldiers into a suicidal counter-offensive - well that's an especially fucked up thing to do.
You already claimed in a previous thread on the same subject that Euromaidan was a CIA coup, so I don't know why you think playing the Very Concerned Netizen now will be believable.
Sure did. We'll see when the CIA declassifies the docs.
RemindMe! 17 years
Hopefully both of us, and this instance, stays alive for that time.
But honestly, whether it was or was not wouldn't change my opinion on the subject one bit. Not sure what you're talking about with "playing the Very Concerned Netizen" - my position is fairly consistent and it doesn't take a Sherlock to figure out.
Yea, I agree that countries should send troops to help Ukraine but I disagree with the idea that sending weapons doesn't help. If Russia conquers Ukraine it will just be another Afganistan or Israel where Ukraine will fight Russian occupation as some terrorist group and Russia will employ what it always does: ethnic cleansing.
Also Moldova is next in line for a Russian invasion so there will also be that in a few years or however long it takes for Russia to recover from this.
I disagree with the idea that sending weapons doesn’t help
Well, that's why I said "doesn't really turn the tides" instead of "not helping". Of course the weapons are helpful, but they are not a solution. Ukraine is outnumbered 3.5 to 1, outgunned and in much deeper hole, economically. Surely an F-16's are nice, but they won't be able to down 3.5 Russian jets each, and, even if they did, they'd still need like 800 of them. HIMARS surely is painful, but it's not 3.5 times more efficient than BM-30. And so goes to every piece of equipment.
Russia will employ what it always does: ethnic cleansing
Oh god no, what source do you even have for that claim? The only case I can think of is Crimean Tatar relocation which was quite a fucked up thing to do, but Stalin's actions are largely condemned in modern Russia. Even *IF * the Russians were to go ethnic cleansing, it would definitely be in Chechnya and Ingushetia first, not in Ukraine. Because, even in the eyes of the most hardline Z folk, Ukraine is not a rabid dog to be put down, it's more like a dipshit younger brother who deserves his ass getting belted.
The weapons have reversed the tide though, Russia's invasion has been ground to a halt and ever reversed quite a bit.
Putin has mentioned several times that he wants to return the glory of the soviet era. Also it absolutely is not condemned but glorified, I live next to Russia, we get their state media here.
As for the ethnic cleansings other than the Tatars and Greeks in Crimea: Koreans in the eastern regions of Russia, Chechens, Ingush, Karapapaks, Karachays, Balkars, Karelians and Meskhetian Turks. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few though, there are too many to remember. Also some of the largest mass graves in recent history were found in the regions of Ukraine where Russia was pushed out.