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Imagine being such a piece of shit that even the Republicans don't want to associate with you.
It's because he fucked with their money...
He made up like 500k in donations so that the Republican party would "match" and they gave him 250k.
So now the other Republicans who could have gotten that money are pissed
Also, they’re idiots for just taking his word for it.
The schadenfreude ... by the gods it's delightful.
Muh bribery is unsecure!1
Should've used the blockchain or something!!11!one!!1
Winner winner chicken dinner. They don’t give a fuck about all the bigots and rapists in office, it’s sticking your hand in the cookie jar that’s the real sin.
It took a 23-count indictment to make it happen, however.
You have to break 50 indictments to be considered ~~presidential~~ crownable
FTFY
Don't think there's a word for the appointment of a dictator.
Don’t think there’s a word for the appointment of a dictator.
A "Coup" i guess.
It wasn't so much the 23 counts as it was the fact that he basically stole money from the Republican party. Theft of (Republican) money is !
I don't really get it. Santos is the most Republican to have every Republicaned. He's a lying, grifting, fraudster who knows practically nothing about anything and only got where he was by lying his way in and betraying the trust of everyone who backed him. He's so unhinged he doesn't even know where his lies stopped.
He's like the American conservative mascot. I'm surprised they don't name him Speaker.
You don’t steal from the rich
It's the oldest rule from the oldest thieves' guilds from before there were cities: It's OK to take a little from Jimmy's cut, maybe OK to take a little off what you were gonna give to your mother, but you never. NEVER. take anything from the capo. The boss.
It’s all a stunt. These republicans are just saving their own skin, fully knowing that vast majority of their own party won’t expel this asshat.
He's not popular and doesn't bring in any money.
Plot twist: the Republicans will now fail to elect a speaker so the resolution will never be read.
Yeah, they've given George Santos a perverse incentive to vote against any viable speaker candidate to prevent this measure from coming to the floor. Or he could make his vote contingent on the new speaker not bringing it.
Can’t he also bring up a vote to unseat any speaker? The Gift That Keeps Giving.
I was gonna say...can they even do that without a Speaker?
So this is just performance, it seems, with no ability or intention of following through.
Speaking of, did Nancy Pelosi actually vacate the office the temp speaker kicked her out of? I hope she just laughed.
I'm not sure; will have to look that up. But yeah, I hope she either laughed right in McHenry's face or at least replied on her official letterhead "Lol, no."
Aw man, she left it.
According to a Pelosi spokesperson, who spoke to Politico, House Minority Leader Hakeen Jeffries' staff helped pack up Pelosi's office on Tuesday night.
In her defense, that's the "high road" thing to do. I'll never fault anyone for taking the high road.
True, but I at least hope they left the office a huge mess.
Maybe with a note saying, "Restored to the condition I found it in, upon arrival on the morning of 1/7/21, after it had been prepared by your constituents."
It's New York GOP, not the entire party. The New Yorkers need to have some cover, but know that the rest of the party will kill the resolution.
Political theater.
But it takes 2/3 to remove him. No way there are enough Republicans with morals and integrity for that to happen.
Wait so only republicans vote? I thought it was the whole house.
It is the whole House. Right now, there are 221 Republicans and 212 Democrats. So 289 votes are needed to expel Santos. You can safely assume that all Democrats will vote to expel so the Republicans will need to come up with 77 more votes. ~~This is a little over half. If half of all Republicans can't agree on this, it will fail.~~ A little over a third of Republicans would need to vote for this.
Edit: 289 votes are needed, not 325.
How did you get 325? There are 435 members normally (433 assuming your numbers are right with vacancies, which seems believable.) 2/3 of 435 is 290.
So you'd only need ~78 republicans with morals. Still wouldn't happen, but weirder things have.
Oops. You're right. I'm not sure how I made that mistake. I'll edit my comment.
It is, but you'd need a substantial portion of Republicans to break ranks and vote to expel a member of their own party (reducing their vote margin) in order to expel him, since the Republicans are the majority
I hope to see it but certainly not holding my breath.
the social media platform X
It's still funny that people have to say stuff like this now instead of just "Twitter".
I'd prefer if they'd just say "stupid fuck Elon Musk's X"
Proof your rebranding has failed.
It looks like he went for a thorough de-brand more than a catchy rebrand.
one edge of the Republican values envelope has been located
My reading of that headline was a rollercoaster.
First I read it as "Republican Lawmakers introduce resolution...", and I was excited and pleasantly surprised.
Then I reread it and realized it was, "Republican Lawmakers to introduce resolution...
And suddenly I was Dwight Schrute.
Notice how this was conveniently done at a time when the House is shut down and there's zero chance that this is actually taken up.
They have to find a speaker first. Then we have issues like Ukraine and Israel to deal with. And then we're right up at the time where the GOP will manufacture another debt ceiling "crisis". Then maybe they'll find time to expel one of their own mem........oh I can't even finish typing that sentence. You know they'll just never mention it again.
This is just virtue signaling. They don't want to expel Santos because they need his vote. They just want to look like they actually care about corruption in their own party. So they're doing this now, knowing full well that there's almost no chance anything actually comes out of it.
(And yes, I guarantee you it's why Schumer hasn't taken a hard line on Menendez. He needs his vote in the Senate just as badly.)
I bet Menendez is out before Santos.
Since 1789 the Senate has expelled only 15 members. Of that number, 14 were expelled during the Civil War for supporting the Confederacy.
How does it work? If there were a third party in the congrees, would the two biggest parties just be able to expel all members from that party from house since they can easily get 2/3 majority?
In theory yes, in practice not so much since they'd probably be useful to one side or the other for votes.
Are they sure they have power to do that to the Emperor of America?
Can they do this without having a speaker?
Do Gaetz next.
federal prosecutors issued Santos a 23-count superseding indictment
You may want to know what is a "superseding indictment" is. I did. It's not terribly exciting. At a basic level, it is just an updated version of an indictment.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/politics/what-is-superseding-indictment-trump/index.html
I don't know why it isn't spelled "superceding" though.