this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
452 points (90.9% liked)

Lefty Memes

4112 readers
905 users here now

An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, upvoting good contributions and downvoting those of low-quality!

Rules

0. Only post socialist memes

That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here

Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.

2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such,

as well as condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.

3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.

That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).

4. No Bigotry.

The only dangerous minority is the rich.

5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.

We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)

6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.

Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.

7. Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:

(This is not a definitive list, the spirit of the other rules still counts! Eventual duplicates with other rules are for emphasis.)

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
452
No war but class war (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
28 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 
all 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 75 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is dumb enlightened centrist bullshit. Leftist socialist never stopped being at war with the bourgeois. We've been telling the maga crowd ten million times that they are voting against their interests, but we can't work together because they are literally fascists and are incapable, literally incapable of doing anything in good faith. In practice what it boils down to is that fighting the bourgeois and fighting conservatives is the same thing. It's not as if fighting maga crowd is keeping the bourgeois out of shot. No, it's all the same, maga is fascism. Fighting maga is what class war looks like.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I disagree because the way I see it: This is not about leftists, but rather Democrats and Republicans. The right wing class war is and intentional distraction from class solidarity, and a lot of people got distracted by it during the 2016 - 2020 presidency. MAGA is only but a portion of conservatives, and conservative a get distracted when they buy into MAGA talking points. The people we see on TV might be owner class, but our working class friends and allies get distracted by it too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It just all sounds like trying to blame leftists for getting distracted by the knife at their throat. It's kind of a thing you have to take seriously.

It's Mr. Burns questioning why you're fighting the dog he sicced on you. You absolutely should blame Mr. Burns. You should blame the dog, especially when it's supposed to be capable of more than drooling Fox News taking points. It's hard to blame the guy defending himself from both.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What I'm trying to say is: Leftists are not the ones distracted by the culture war. But liberals and conservatives are being distracted by, aptly put, Mr. Burns.

In this case I do blame the guy defending himself from both, because the class war includes all of the working class. If I can de-worm their brains, great, and if I can't, we still have a class war to win. We have to get along regardless or conservatives distracted by fascists continue to be useful for them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Tankies are not leftists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

All you can do is try. Horse to water and all that.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This meme acts like the Nazis aren't our enemy too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Aren’t they the same?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, half of the people fighting in the fish tank are Nazis too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I meant Nazis and capitalists.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

I mean. This is true. But there are two ways of using this statement.

  1. Ignoring the plight of minorities, not fighting for their rights, and insisting they put their suffering aside because "no war but class war".
  2. Uniting in support of people with minoritised identities, forming stronger alliances, and refusing to infight because "no war but class war".

I hope you mean the second one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Well yeah but it’s more trying to defend myself and convince the other guy to stop blaming me for the rich hurting fhem

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

For this to be more accurate, instead of being an aquarium, it should be Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, and the rich guy should be operating the MAGA. Those two are fighting on the same team.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Great meme. Funny how half the comments are still "the other guy in the tank is the enemy!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

The way I understand it MAGA sees themselves one level outside and that everything else is all "uniparty". Like they're a force above the influence of either of these petty squabbles and Trump will be the one to dismantle it all and return their once glorious homeland back to them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I was called a conspiracy theorist and told to put on a tinfoil hat when I said this. I've been saying this for years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Everything is a conspiracy when you have false consciousness.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They can afford to pay people to act that way.

The loudest people online are the first ones to ignore.

Lemmy isn't any less compromised than Reddit was either, before we start kidding ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It's never US vs. THEM. It's always US vs. US. In every battle, war, and debate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are plenty of people all to eager to divide themselves into groups. I don't know if all the billionaires on the planet working in unison could bring about cohesion amongst the masses, but they're happy either way because they're billionaires.

For some reason we require contrarians. Also many people prefer being angry and seeing other people be angry so it justifies their own anger/lack of ability to emotionally regulate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

People don't relate to each other enough anymore. We stopped talking to out neigh or etc. So when people want interaction, they don't feel they can afford vulnerabilit, and being angry is a socially acceptable way of interaction now.

Being irate MUST mean you have some advanced knowledge and great reasoning to be as such, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be so mad. Since you are, I better pay attention in case I need to be irate also.

It's a bastardized survival mechanism gone wrong in the world we weren't made for.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wow you fucking Nazi chud. How can you ever imply progressives are equal to MAGAts?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because everyone is human, and we all have an intrinsic value.

If you forget that, you'll be quick to dehumanize groups that you view as "opposing" or "other" and you're stuck in the same tribal game that keeps this hamster wheel running

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

/s...?

I mean the progressives are obviously right... But quarreling doesn't help until we can break out of this system. There are things that must be fought right now, but we need to pick our battles and focus on the bigger problem...