I hate basically all youtube links on Lemmy, it seems like this is "reading" social media, not "watching" social media.
this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
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I've just started downvoting anything that looks like it's promoting a YouTube channel. I don't want a five or ten minute video communicating something I can read in thirty seconds.
Okay so I'm not insane
I don't want a five or ten minute video communicating something I can read in thirty seconds.
There's video oriented communities, just like on reddit.
Otherwise, yeah, exactly. The whole reason I enjoyed the reddit communities was reading not watching or listening.
Agreed.
And don't forget to upvote and favourite this comment. It really helps me make more comments just like this one.
I partially disagree. It depends on *why* they sent the link.
If it's totally out of nowhere, I agree; if someone asks a question and their channel/video answer the question? Feel free to advertise yourself.
Whew, boy, that escalated quickly 🤣
OP was speedrunning Lemmy
What does that mean? Their post is still showing here? Kind of completely new to this platform. It's so intriguing and alive. I don't think I'm going to miss reddit one bit.
They’ve been banned from interacting in the future, which is a separate thing from their posts & comments being deleted. They’re banned from their own instance, too:
Ohhh! I see. Much obligated. Thx for letting me know.
What app is that
A web browser.
My favorite app.
Lmao
Wonder how that went down with OP never even having posted or commented on their home instance.
The only reason advertising was banned on reddit was so they could monetize. If the content is relevant to the community, I don't care if the person sharing it created it. I appreciate the submission.
Let the votes decide the quality of the content.
Federation abuse allows for easy vote brigading and manipulation. For the past 2 weeks, I have been a victim of targeted vote manipulation. In the earlier days of Lemmy and after Reddit exodus, bot voting manipulation in hundreds and thousands was observed, with one even demonstrating this intentionally with a top Lemmy post.
Votes are not a priority factor.
"Let the votes decide the quality of the content" is capitalist rhetoric that was the start of reddit's end. It is not an argument, it is not a principle to stand behind, and it most definitely is not a better alternative to guidelines the community can vote on.
Someone gets it.
I don't really care if someone shares their own content as a participating member of the community, but these people are dwarfed by those who just spam their links to every community on Lemmy that bares even the slightest amount of relevance.
You dont know that tho. I have multiple lemmmy accounts. Most if them are anonymous, but when I post my own content, I use my real name.
The only thing I use my "real name" Lemmy account for is self - promotion, but that doesn't mean I dont participate with other accounts.
Folks have the right to anonymity.
Why would you run, for example, a programming based YouTube channel, but not want to use that same account when interacting with the community on topics of programming? You have a right to anonymity, but people also have the right to block you if you only use that account to spam links in different communities with no other engagement because there's nothing to differentiate you from all the bots doing the same thing for different reasons.
My point is you shouldn't make assumptions. Just because you can't track all of my activity doesn't mean I'm a bot.
Why would you expect to get treated any differently by complete strangers online if you do absolutely nothing to differentiate yourself from all the bots spamming the place? What you're suggesting is that they stop moderating these communities simply because "you shouldn't make assumptions."
I’m even slightly confused why people even post links to YouTube in a privacy community. I get that people who try to advertise their own channels would do it, but why aren’t people at least posting an invidious instance link to it?
There's some bot that links to piped, but i'd prefer people stop using youtube as a source for information / shilling their channel
piped often doesnt work for me... not sure why
It takes forever to load. Did you let your tea go cold before giving up?
Wait it takes forever for you? Like the piped app? Mine has been instant for the last 2 years. Like straight up faster than the Youtube offical app
Everytime I used Piped I would deal with buffering lasting an entire year, or the video just outright wouldn't play (very common on kavin.rocks)
Invidious doesn't have this problem but it doesn't support Sponsorblock and I'm not a big fan of its UI
Maybe I'll try again, could have been a bad day, but my experience was bad enough I could not justify considering it as a viable alternative.
I thought it was unresponsive until I put my phone down to make some tea, came back and it just then started to play.
I mean with how many upvotes your comment has, I think it means something is different between my experiences and other people's. I'm just not sure what the cause of the difference is.
Yeah I just tried another one, it took 21 seconds to begin playing the video from when I pressed the play button.
Because Privacy isn't 1 or 0 situation. It is granular thing you may think using YouTube crosses the line but others might not agree.
We as a community can choose what crosses the line for this community.
Personally I am fine with YouTube links, there is usually a bot posting a more private link down below if you want. It makes it easy to pick one of the other it isn't that big of a deal.
More than posting their own channels or doing it on an anti-privacy website, I am annoyed by the medium itself. Even if it's a topic of interest, videos can become really tedious depending on the author with no practical way to get around it, plus very little accessibility; it's always more convenient in text.
Some would argue it's more accessible in video format. Personally I think it's best to write an article and then do a breif video summary that links to the article "for more info"
It's a hard angle, on one end obviously YT sucks and people need to be aware of other platforms, BUT if you really want to spread the knowledge of privacy to people that are unaware, there's no choice but to use it. That said, a person actually into privacy should also be uploading those videos to privacy respecting platforms, and those are what should be linked here and in any privacy respecting place.
I literally saw a dude linking to a FACEBOOK video, talking about how to avoid data miners LOL. Sad, but again, those are the people that need to be made aware! It's a tricky one.
Well I guess I can offer a dissenting opinion on this one. YouTube video links are fine on Lemmy? I like watching a short video or two each day?
Yes, YouTube sucks for privacy. So I don’t have an account and use Firefox Focus to be anonymous. I do wish there were better alternatives to YouTube.
I don’t like ads and that includes people advertising a channel. But I haven’t personally seen this happen much on Lemmy. Maybe not all. I guess I don’t see why it needs to be banned.
Anyone else seeing things this way? Or am I missing something?
Edit:
I’ve thought about it more. I think I was indeed missing something. Is the complaint referring to all the posts that contain nothing but a YouTube link?
If that’s the case, I guess it’s a valid complaint. Doesn’t really bother me though. I just scroll on by the posts that don’t interest me
Somewhat private way to watch YouTube: Piped. I believe the piped bot comments under everything with a YouTube link with an alternative link anyway. Just use that.
Complerly agreed, except that YouTube has privacy issues if you know how to protect yourself.
One of the reasons I love YouTube is that there's no authwall, and there's tons of alternative front ends... So it's completely anonymous
I was considering blocking all posts containing youtube links. No-one wants some opionated arse-monger broadcasting to them in bed.
There are folks on YouTube that cite their sources. Don't ban the platform just because many of the uses suck.
Yes! That’s why I did a YouTube series about this very issue on my channel, go here and smash that subscribe link and find me on patreon too!
Videos can* provide better privacy explanations (ex: animating asymmetric key exchange) The videos that get posted on here, well...
How about banning video essays?
This. It depends on the source. Always consider the source.
Even a video essay can be credible, if they cite their sources
Its not the advertising that annoys me. Its the links to YouTube with very little context
Agreed - I just had to block the user that’s been loading up the place with his YT links but that cleaned up my feed quite nicely. Suggest a ban for that one too (didn’t want to name anyone but should be painfully obvious by looking at recent activity).
Looks like I was missing in action, because Indians celebrate Diwali today, our biggest festival of the year. This is why I formulated rules against advertising, because this happens too often here. Will be on the lookout and more stricter. Some custom AOSP forks advertised and astroturfed will also face stricter action. A solid framework needs to be built.
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