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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Thanks for this statement. I read it as "diagnostic labels are a tool supposed to be used in professional communication but it may be harmful when used otherwise".
IMO, much of that harm could be avoided by just not pathologizing and labeling personal caracteristics as "disorders", though, which are characteristics certain societies could greatly benefit from if such people would just be given the right respect and task.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yesterday, i learned about AURORA. She should not be missing here. Check out her magnificent voice and deeply emotional music.

This song, A Different Kind of Human (Youtube) (Invidious) talks about the sense of not belonging on this planet and it's a dream about being taken home.

About Aurora herself, if she would fit any diversity categoriy is of course solely her business to not care about :-) (Youtube) (Invidious). She performs with plenty of whole-body gesturing which reminds me of Sinéad O'Connor.

In any case, i for sure would love to dance with her, yeah! (Invidious)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

At least it has gathered that the sky on Mars ought to be reddish...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I try everything I can, music, animation, art, programming, even Sports yet no one understands me!

Language!
Seriously, what i found out is that (kind of) everyone "speaks a different language". Unforunately, most people are not aware of this, so the burden is on those who do get aware, to communicate in a language that the other one understands. Autistic people tend to use and understand languages differently, in characteristic ways. More formulaic or more complex, for example -- thus a difficulty arises in translating their idea, say into somewhat more culturally-associative or sequetial/one-dimensional language.

In other words, i think that i understand you! 🥲
The list of things you tried to express in, those can all be taken as different languages, all with their own complexity and levels of formulaity, suitable for communicating different things. I mean for example, that music and arts can be good for displaying emotions and impressions, among other things. Even Sports can convey a lot of practical philosophy.

So, for me it gets interesting when someone says that they are "not understood" but their list of languages they considered to convey their idea does not include verbal language. That is not a fault. Many people and by far not only ND ones don't do well in verbal expression. Some of the most proficient exerts are very good at expressing their ideas in math, but ask them to explain all that in plain language or talk about the philosophical implications and they will fail.

Perhaps you are asking for help with coming toward a "translation", or perhaps it is about finding a suitable way to express. Or perhaps you are asking for someone who could resonate with your way of expression; someone who is able to communicate in your way.

My first question back to/for you may be, could you explain it in words, in what ways is your use of those means of expression you mentioned different/divergent from the way others use them? -- Or is it so that you "failed" in those disciplines at expressing your idea (trying to imitate rather than innovate)? (Did you ever think about it?)
There are ways to going by example also online. One place for such things could indeed be the Matrix chat.

The way in which you use a language or an art differently matters! If only few people understand you then you are doing something out of the ordinary. It might be unfitting in your social environment but it might as well be something novel.

Here is an example from me. When I play my drum then I can tell a story. You bet there is rarely a 4/4 beat in that playing, and it's not just any drum but it's melodic. Rarely there is someone who would inquire about the playing but rather about the drum ... because the technical seems to be talked about more easily than the dramatic, idk. And rarely there is someone who could follow, as the way is intuitive; I never play the exact same thing twice.

I'd also ask you how old you are. It's because more lifetime brings more experience and less lifetime brings less expectation. ... I'm a fourty-eight year old boy who sometimes has something coming through in an odd rhythm on his very own kind of drum, and who sometimes writes multidimensionally, and who makes a distinction between "I" and "i". And something that i am actually quite bad at but anyway -- i'm coming to a conclusion that it's better to seek the right people to communicate with, than trying to make everyone understand. Trying to explain all that in words might fill books, so it might be more easy to find someone who can understand and follow the drum.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are using storytelling to convey a concept of a challenge, with different approaches where neither is suitable for everyone. A few easy to follow paragraphs that i enjoyed reading. You did well. (no ADD here)

One thought: as this is about serialising multi-dimensional information -- did you ever think of drawing up such relations, as a mental helper scaffolding?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Someone was just bringing in an example of a situation that is difficult for them and which repeatedly upsets them. Remembering all that might make them present their upsettedness, which may be welcome for a deeper understanding and further processing toward clarity on both sides. No need to mirror that. :-)

edit: Maybe i should tell about this afterthought here; it's a perspective that might be unknown to many here. I might still be off because of empathetic limits presented by the text-only medium, and I'm only a messenger who will be speaking an unknown language so don't hit on me ... :-)
Through the shamanic lens: This looks like an example of a "self-fulfilling prophecy", in the way of calling in the presence of a spirit (spiritual entity) by telling the story of having encountered that entity before. So, @[email protected] in its essence told a story of how they repeatedly meet a spirit which seeks to take their energy by telling them they were doing things not as expected, with the implicate impression that something would be "wrong" with them not having understood some unspoken message, while CarlsIII was just doing things the way CarlsIII would find them fitting. Others probably have read the story and could relate to it or feel with it, thus amplifying the inadvertent call. ... Lo and behold, exactly such a spirit shows up. All it takes is someone who is susceptible to it and ready to serve for a demonstration. Invocations like this are common. Maybe this can help build awareness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Such things can also be a domineering strategy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Like other commenters, I also think that most neurodivergent people understand this very well. Their problem arises where they understand it even much further, like seeing the implications of such normalities. For example, that this must be one of the sources of so many misunderstandings between different cultures (and subcultures!). I can not just assume that everyone I meet speaks the same social language that I grew up in.

And is it not rude to assume that everyone's mind works in the same way ... or that others would camouflage in a die-cut way as someone they are not truely; is it not kind of intellectually flat to assume self-similarity, given that this is so obviously not the case -- I mean divergent or not, everyone is just so engraved by their past experience that we have no true idea what mental process is going on inside another person unless we get to know them more closely.

e: or put in different words, what to do if the intangible feelings and emotions communicated by someone just don't match their verbal message? Or worse, what to do when we cearly see someones cognitive dissonance but we are expected to somehow follow that (it's an illness and following through would be self-denial)?

May read: The Double Empathy Problem;
more on affective vs. cognitive empathy: Lost in Translation: The Social Language Theory of Neurodivergence (part 1); (part 2)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I tried to make a TLDR

Thank you!

 

A de-pathologising and enabling explanation of typical neurodivergent perception and expression culture.

By Janae Elisabeth, a researcher-storyteller and neurodiversity advocate from western North Carolina.

The two rather concise blog articles are suitable for handing to people who may ask (or may not have asked) what this neurodiversity thing is actually about. And if you are divergent, you will probably recognise yourself.


In part 1, Janae lists the most defining differences in communication and culture, in the sibling form of "we".

Quote:

The dominant social group labels our way of being in the world as disordered because they don’t understand us. Even though they don’t understand, the dominant culture controls the narrative about our differences.

Society believes the experts who are not part of our culture, who see brokenness where there is order. We gradually start to believe the myths ourselves and lose all sense of self-esteem. We come to hate ourselves for being different.

How did we get here?
The pathology paradigm is a system of diagnostic labels designed by neurotypicals which categorizes our genetic differences and traumatic stress responses as illnesses, disorders, deficits, and deficiencies. [...]

Up until now, scientists have studied us like they study animals — not asking our opinion or considering that there may be a complex system of mind behind the behaviors that they do not understand. They theorize that we are less empathetic, less aware of others, less social. More like robots than people.

They have largely not tried to understand the biological mechanisms that create our experience of self. Instead they have tried every means possible to force us to act neurotypical.

(emphasis partly done by me -- yeah that's a long quote ...)

Headlines:

Processing differences cause us to speak different social languages / Emotions / Empathy / Nonverbal Communication and Body Cues / Words Mean Things / Social Rules / A Different Value System / Skills and Abilities / Reactions to Stress, Pain, and Overwhelm

Part 2:

Link: Lost in Translation: The Social Language Theory of Neurodivergence (part 2 of 2)

In part 2, Janae writes about the impact of the invalidation done by a pathologising clinical approach, the mistreatment following the misunderstanding, and ways in which neurodivergence can be supported, accepted, and embraced.

Quote:

The med/psych system is losing or failing most neurodivergent people. This is the most common theme I am hearing from patients, parents, teachers, and therapists alike. And it’s not just that we are “falling through the cracks” in the system or being neglected, though those are valid concerns. The bigger concern is that the med/psych system is actively harming many neurodivergent people by forcing cultural assimilation.
[...]
A study in 2019 found that psychiatric diagnosis is scientifically meaningless because there is too much subjectivity in diagnosis and not enough understanding of trauma. And when we look beyond simple accuracy and also consider impact, the failure of diagnostic labels becomes clear. Diagnostic labels as they are currently given are worse than useless, they are all too frequently harmful.

(emphasis by me)

Headlines:

While speaking different languages makes relationships difficult, invalidation makes relationships impossible / Self-image, depression, and shutdown / Social rejection, abuse, and PTSD / Mistreatment, re-traumatization, and forced treatment / The neurodiversity paradigm recognizes our different languages and seeks to understand miscommunications instead of pathologizing them. Here are 7 key ways that neurodivergence can be supported, accepted, and embraced


Further reading:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think commenter above means, as opposed to the US-american re-definition of liberal = "Democrat", somehow. Since the Trump party is absolutist leaning, this makes sense fr them ... somehow.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Compelling concecture. I also wonder if there are really groups of people like that (i mean, how do they behave in physical, that must be sort of punks?) -- or if it is part of an orchestrated disruption and possibly false flag. I read it's only about 15 accounts to block if one wanted to get rid of the obnoxious ones.

~~Have any hints that back it up?~~
Edit: do not mind, i have read farther down. It also seems to have deviated from the original CTH community, as in "unfriendly take-over", which was even stated by a HB account.

Besides, this helped me to finally understand the confusion about the "liberal" adjective. It's understood differently in USA, from most everywhere else. :-)

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